steve (lockett) finally dynoed the black car with the intake i built him and here are the results..........

before with stock intake and stock 52mm t-body at 22-24 psi


after with intake my manifold and 65mm t-body


same as above but at 27psi with a spike at 7k


i was being conservitive when i thought he might get 50 whp out of the combo but 71whp............ damn. when i first got wit thim about making this thing, his thing was he wanted more power and wanted it up higher in the rpm range and i think this setup worked out good for him. im definitely happy with the results.

 

a+ for you sir

 

sweet job

but on the first plot, 22-24psi and only 280hp?? why so low, ive seen cars(hondas) make that on like 10-13psi any issues with the car?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrbsponge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sweet job

but on the first plot, 22-24psi and only 280hp?? why so low, ive seen cars(hondas) make that on like 10-13psi any issues with the car?</TD></TR></TABLE>

but what kind of torque?


Keep it up mike it looks good and works too

 

wouldnt really call this a real comparison, but its nice none the less.

 

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but on the first plot, 22-24psi and only 280hp?? why so low, ive seen cars(hondas) make that on like 10-13psi any issues with the car?</TD></TR></TABLE>


the size of the turbo might have something to do with that...

 

hondas respond really well to boost, and i believe the turbo is a mitsubishi 25G.

 

why such little power, my freinds 98 single cam with stock throttle body and im made 395 tq and 405 ponies, 9.0 je pistons and i think eagle rods, and the biggest cam that will fit without grinding the bearings, on ethanol, fmu with ? injectors he found that work good on ethonal 255 fuel pump and mopar performance ecu, drag log mani and a big 16

 

ask steve why the power is so "low"........... this is also through an auto tranny............ i dont know for sure if that robs more power than a manual.

the bigest cam that would fit with out grinding the bearings??? on a sohc......... the cam slides in the side of the head and doesnt even use bearings, WTF are u talking about? yeah lets throw the biggest cam we can in there with ethanol and lots of boost. considering the biggest cam for the sohc engine is the crane 005 which is a strictly n/a race cam with lots of over lap im sure it would be a good choice for a turbo application (no adjusting intake and exhaust valves seperatly of each other on this one guys being that all the lobes are on 1 cam). im calling BS on this one sir.

mike

 

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wow he even had to grind the bearings, good thing too cause it would have played hell on the pushrods if he didnt...

 

no he did not have to grind them its the biggest cam you can fit WITHOUT grinding the bearings, damn cant you read, anywasy why such little power, and please list the setup

 

pushrods, wtf this aint no v8

 

thats impressive

you should make me one for an sr20

 

OHHH sorry i mis-read he didnt grind the bearings, sorry....man you should tell your buddy it would prolly give him like 50-75 hp by grinding the bearings and use HEAT treated push rods. thats how i made my neon run 10.70s, its honestly the only way to go

 

i dont have the time right now but someone should post up pics of a sohc neon cam and the hole it slides into in the side of the head, and they tell me what exactly needed to be ground if indeed he would of had to.

mike

 

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mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

Makes me think the only good neon block is one with a hole in it. J/k Had to say something.

Not bad at all for an auto, thats 20-30% power loss on typical slushboxes. I couldn't imagine a Honda auto surviving 200wTQ w/o burning every clutch pack and melting fins off inside the converter. I remember an auto SR20 for a disabled guy with 400rwhp, but it needed a shitload of mods and a huge turbo to make that power. Props to big power in small packages, even if its an older neon.

BTW is that still a version of the early 90's 'common block', or a newer version? Chrysler has the tendancy to rehash engines, as I think I saw a guy here with a neon/stratus hybrid motor.

 

here's a dyno comparison....

Red...stock neon manifold unported with 52mm tb.

Blue.... modified intake manifold UNPORTED with 52mm tb.

the only change here was moving the tb to sidemount and welding on a box plenum.



I dont think its fair mike to post "a comparison" like the one you did. Its not really a comparison...the runs were done on different dyno's it looks like....

 

what nate is trying to say is.... its the largest cam you can put in with out changing the lobe center. crane 14 is the biggest that will regularly fit.

You do have to do some whack **** to get sohc cams bigger than a 14 to fit. He's not right in what he said........but what he's talking about IS true. You have to change the lobe center because the lobes get too big in order to fit.

If you dont believe me...hit up Jeff Ball or the guys at Crane. its legit.

 

well i have no control over they dyno thing. i do think that the cooler weather did help a little though, as for nate, he said "without grinding the bearings" well on a single cam head the bearings are part of the head so that to me means grinding the head. he needs to clarify what hes talking about in situations like this, good looking out for him though.

mike

 

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but on the first plot, 22-24psi and only 280hp?? why so low, ive seen cars(hondas) make that on like 10-13psi any issues with the car?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I won't lie, Honda knows how to make a good breathing 4 cylinder. Even though the Neon motors may physically be bigger (2.4L Vs 1.8 or 2.0) when it comes to actually filling the combustion chamber the Honda probably does a better job. Plus, generally, a Honda motor usually has a good 1000-2000 RPM redline on a Neon motor, so the "lesser" torque gets multiplied more.

Alot of poeple look at the HP of a Honda and say "Oh, but look at the miniscule torque". However if you look at the torque and compare it to another car with similar torque then you'll see just how better the engine is breathing and massive HP gain.

 

have you gusy started breaking driveshafts yet?

 

actually the neons came with a 2.0 (87.5 bore x 83 stroke) the srt comes with the 2.4 which has the same bore but a 101mm stroke . u put the right parts and big enough cams in a 2.0 (dohc) and u can make power above 9k on neon engine without going to far into the danger zone..... and the heads with the right porting have the ability to flow upwards of 300 cfm at .400-.500".

 

The dyno is the same exact one. The first time the car was dynoed(which I was present for)was at Revitup. Revitup closed and sold the dyno to Impo were the second dyno run was made.

 

hey thanks for clearing that up, steve never mentioned it to me so i didnt even know if it was done on the same dyno

mike