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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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ok, last night stupid me bought some megan springs for my 96 4dr civic ex. at 930pm started putting them on, at 4am the fronts were done.

Now, i thought the springs only dropped it around 2". Why is my tires completely tucked under the car? i have about 2-3 inches from the ground to the bottom of the front. This is WAY to low, so something is obviously wrong. I put them on my oem shocks.

Could one of the shocks be blown? the passenger side is about 1 inch lower than the drivers side and looks funny. I believe my shocks are blown if its this low? were talking low enough for something to be seriously wrong. Drives so-so.

Should i get some OEM replacements? if no, what are the CHEAPEST shocks that will sustain a 2" drop?

also one last thing, is there anyway to put some kinda rubber isolators or washer kinda things between each spring coil, to at least lift it just a tad?


thank you! sorry for panicking!!!
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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get some new ebay coil overs for like $40 bucks ;x

thats what i have

had them in for about 5 months and my shocks are still perfectly fine.

but i do plan to replace them...soon hahah
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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first of all. <FONT SIZE="big">SHOCKS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RIDE HEIGHT!</FONT>

who the hell tells you noobs this crap??? and why do you believe it????

so whats the deal with these springs? are they just drop springs? or sleeve adjustable? if there is physically a spring in between the shock and the chassis and the shock and everything else is mounted properly, theres absolutely no reason why your car would be running lower than normal. unless you swapped the front and rear springs mistakenly, i cant think of any other reason why youd be lower than whats expected.


now, did you NOT finish putting a spring in the back? if you didnt, that means your rear is totally lifted, making the front even lower. go finish the job if you didnt already.

and 2" is really low anyway. itll probably get you just about tucked at a level reide height.

you shouldnt use stock shocks with any aftermarket spring as far as im concerned. heck, i wouldnt even use old stock shocks with stock springs. shocks make a huge difference in handling. why use crap.

megan is crap anyway.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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ok, i bought these springs used, so when i installed them in the dark, i didnt check if the dude cut them....oh wheel, ill get the rears on asap, tommrow.

however im just concerned at why the passenger side is SO much lower than the drivers, 1" or so. almost looks as if my car has a flat, but it doesnt. do springs sag easily?
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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ok, the reason why poeople talk about shocks because if u ride on stock shocks u might have a chance of blowing them...

but i never said anything about shocks, i just said, i have use ebay coil overs on stock shocks and everything is fine.

he coulda saved money and bought new ebau coil overs for $40 bucks
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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finiish the job first. then make comments.

zero out all your bushings before finishing. means tightening all your suspension bolts at your new ride height. its in the helms. except now you have to do it to all the bushings.


ride heights on a car are never even. its perfectly normal.

get an alignment and fix your toe change to prevent uneven tire wear.

cheap springs sag more over time.

megan springs are cheap.

egay "coilovers" are pretty horrible too. it will be stiff, kill your shocks, give you horrible handling, but youll be able to adjust your ride height, yay! (until they rust and break.)
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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thanks guys, here we go, this is where i fed up.

did cut bump stops, and the passenger front, where it sits very low, i had to use vice grips to secure the shock so i could get the nut off. so im sure the shock is blown now.

oh and i didnt use my dust covers....hopefully I will have 5 minutes tonight to look over some stuff, otherwise IEYE!
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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i dont think the i mixed the rears up with the fronts or the passenger side...ill check, but its SO much lower than the drivers side. this worries me. it also pulls to the right now HARD

it used to pull to the left, HARD....im giving up!
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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whenever you alter the suspension of a car, you need to get an alignment.


as far as the ride height...
you might have the rear springs on the front.

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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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hmm dont think so because usually u put the taller springs in the front, and the shorter in the rear. (as far as i know)

they didnt have markings on them
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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ok update, i had one of the rears up front (stupid me)

switched it now its evened out.

now for the rears, did only 1 today, the other side (drivers), all of the bolts possible are stripped (not the threads) the heads of the bolts.

how do I get these out? all i need is the flange bolt out , or the one of the LCA....then i can drop the shock down. if its stripped can a shop do it?
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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oh and i took of the welded nut on the rear LCA, but it still wont budge. tried hammering it for an hour, still nothing. Also, Can i use a spring compressor to compress the springs as much as possible, to squeze it out from under the car? i tried jacking the shock up, but the whole unit moves with it.....can the springs compress enough to take the shock out? the only bolt the comes out is where the shock meets the LCA
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 03:04 PM
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you can get a really thin hacksaw and run it through the grooves of the threads, that might clean it out. it worked for me several times
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 03:22 PM
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no the actuall heads of the bolts are stripped...however now the question is, can i remove the shock/strut without removing the LCA by using a spring compressor, to compress the **** outa the spring, and then wiggle it out?
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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OH MY GOD! after doing 6 hours of consecutive reading, i found that YES, you can remove the strut/spring assembly by using a spring compressor.


EFFING! STUPID ME!!! good thing i broke lots of bolts and shoot, and wasted 11 hours of time.

any harm in driving with 3 lowered springs, and 1 oem in the back?

EDIT: ehhh actually im still reading you need to take the LCA bolts off, shoot! i was hopeing for enough clearance for a spring compressor to work!!!

anybody?


Modified by YoungKadafi at 5:09 PM 12/14/2006
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YoungKadafi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any harm in driving with 3 lowered springs, and 1 oem in the back?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you really have to ask? Your alignment will be way off, since the car is sitting crooked. While braking, one wheel will lock up due to the lack of weight sitting on it.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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well it drives fine on the way to work, i seriously started working on it since like the crack of dawn, and didnt stop untill 30 mins till i had to be to work.

i just need to know if I could possibly get the rear shock out using a spring compressor, without unbolting the LCA's bolts, just the 2 top 14mm bolts and the lower 14mm bolt on the LCA, all 3 of those will come out just fine, everything else is stripped and frozen. I work everyday all day in this is my only car.

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 09:25 PM
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man do you ever get sleep! jezz get some sleep think about and go at it again....

so the head of the bolt is stipped? if so why dont you go get 1 of the gator sockets at sears
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 05:42 AM
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no, not worried about that anymore, ,more worried about my tread which has went from 90% down to 50%. can i get an alignment with 3 dropped springs and 1 oem in the bacK? the front 2 are done and thats what im worried about
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 07:40 AM
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If the shop will do it, I don't see why not. But when you put in that 4th spring, you will need another alignment.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 07:47 AM
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yea, im gonna try and put that 4th on there, tonight, soaking everything in pb blaster, then seeing what happens with a stripper bolt extractor. hopefully then i can put the 4th on, and align it, so i can then replace my brand new tires i bought last week which are down to 50% tread.....after this, i am never touching suspension......or a car, maybe
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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I highly doubt you would be able to get the spring off without taking it off of the car first. Don't bother getting an alignment before you put the last spring on, it's a waste of money.

I also suggest going to Honda and getting a replacement bolt for the one that has the stripped head. You might need to take it off again, and it'll be a bitch to get back on now anyways.

Good luck, let us know what happens.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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i dont wanna get the spring off, i wanna get the whole shock assembly off, just need to do it with out lowering the LCA, because both LCA bolts are jammed
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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your car is driveable. Maybe you should take it somewhere so they can take the messed bolts out for you.
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 09:09 AM
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got the last shock out, and put the spring on after destroying the shock, and 3 other bolts on the upper trailing arm in the rear. so yea, after sacrificing about 10 stripped bolts, $100 more dollars than needed, and 4 brand new tires eaten down from not having an alignment done, my ride is finnally dropped.

Next thing is an alignment.

how far can you drive before you tires go? i just got 4 brand new rims/tires 2 weeks ago....and already drivin 300 miles w/o alignment.


Thank you for everybodys help!!! SO MUCH! wouldnt beable to get this figured out without you.
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