what you think is the best and why?

 

The SI dosent have the torque of the gti but i think it is a better package for the money !

Got Revs !!!!!

 

lol yea thats what im thinkin, plus remember the GTI is boostin, the Si's arent, so engine wise were better i believe.

 

VW GTI Drivers need it like the commericial said

 

Hmm, come to a Honda forum and ask what car people think is better......what is wrong with this picture. Drive them for yourself, do some research online to see what you can get them for in your area and decide what your priorities are. People on HONDA-Tech aren't going to be the most impartial bunch.

Jon

 

bro i did, and i came to the forum becuase of my ES1 and DA, i made this thread to ask what peoples opinions on those 3 are, not 2 ask what should i get, i already know what im going to get, and its a Si cuz i can get it the cheapest. plus i dont care if you think this thread is stupid, i asked 4 a reason, not 2 get dumb off topic posts. now back 2 the subject please.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AiL45 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bro i did, and i came to the forum becuase of my ES1 and DA, i made this thread to ask what peoples opinions on those 3 are, not 2 ask what should i get, i already know what im going to get, and its a Si cuz i can get it the cheapest. plus i dont care if you think this thread is stupid, i asked 4 a reason, not 2 get dumb off topic posts. now back 2 the subject please.</TD></TR></TABLE>

making this thread to ask for opinions is also wrong. this is a technical forum. either make the same post in GDD or have a moderator move it for a little less bias responces.

i'd go with the Si, only because its a honda (see, bias resonce)

 

kk yea guess so w.e dead thread. no more postin or mod lock up plz

 

SI FTW!!!!!1111!!!!!

 

Si hands down! GTi is a pig and is turbocharged and only makes 3 hp more. Yeah it's got alot of torque but it needs it to get going. Raced one the other day and we were dead even up to 110mph. And as for the RSX. You do the math...........SI + 4grand - 37 lbs. + leather + 4hp = RSX type S.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XXtremeRicanXX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Si hands down! GTi is a pig and is turbocharged and only makes 3 hp more. Yeah it's got alot of torque but it needs it to get going. Raced one the other day and we were dead even up to 110mph. And as for the RSX. You do the math...........SI + 4grand - 37 lbs. + leather + 4hp = RSX type S.</TD></TR></TABLE>

tru tru, thats the reason why i had said i wanted the SI out of the 3 in an earlier post, but nice, this was the type of opinion i wanted to see and i was curious which was faster (GTI vs Si) n u just answered it

 

See Car & Driver comparison back in MAR-06.

http://www.caranddriver.com/co....html

 

when all is said and done.. you look at all 3 cars. honda, acura, and VW. does anyone else notice this? people are going euro even if its a VW because they outgrow little honda fanboi's who want to race every living thing on the road. theres no such thing as "oh this is a better car because its a honda" thats total BS. honda and acura owners have clearly stated their image as ricer's mainly because some people are stupid and ignorant. and to XXtremericanXX, comments like yours make the honda communiy look bad. comments like that should be kept to yourself. sorry about the rant. theres just so much of this going around that its starting to **** me off.

-jay


Modified by atomic_blue r18 at 8:50 PM 12/10/2006

 

i think i'm going to have to agree with jay. even though this is a honda forum. it is very biased to put honda and acura and volkswagen. my friend jay has a GTi and i like it. honda or not a car is a car. a name does not make it any better. it's the person that works on it.

 

it doesnt have to do with the fact that i own a GTI because i also own a S2000 and also have a 07 honda civic coming in soon. im not trying to be biased but just point out that it needs to be kept at a certain level.

-jay

 

So what about all the reliability that Honda has stacked under its name? I don't want to start a war or anything, but I was looking at purchasing the new GTI as well as the new SI. I looked at both, compared prices, thought about warranty, looked at reliability and lastly power. I went with the SI due to Honda's reliability and the fact that the SI is an amazing car for the money. The thing that turned me away from the GTI was how my SI was just as quick as it with no FI and that many of my friend's have had VWs, and still do, and they always have problems....even girls that get their VWs serviced at the dealers and do not race or anything. Just my contribution. I think this thread is going to be locked soon, but we'll see.

 

i agree with you that, yes, honda is very reliable. but to bash another car just because? doesnt flow well with me. also, yes, the SI is just as quick with it being n/a but if you look into modding the GTI over the civic.. the GTI is just more bang for the buck in that aspect but thats just my opinion. a turbo kit for a civic will cost around 5Gs whereas a BT for a GTI would cost 2200. just my .02.

-jay

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by atomic_blue r18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree with you that, yes, honda is very reliable. but to bash another car just because? doesnt flow well with me. also, yes, the SI is just as quick with it being n/a but if you look into modding the GTI over the civic.. the GTI is just more bang for the buck in that aspect but thats just my opinion. a turbo kit for a civic will cost around 5Gs whereas a BT for a GTI would cost 2200. just my .02.

-jay</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see your points, but isn't the GTI like 26K or something like that? The MSRP on an Si in 06 was a little over 20K when I got mine, so add that 5K turbo and bye bye GTI. I guess it all comes down to what you like and what fits your style. I'm not gonna bash on anything unless I have a reason.

 

Don't go VW. If you have any problems they more than likely have to be fixed at the dealer and will be very expensive.

I chose against the RSX to get an Si. Not a big fan of leather, but I like the body style.

 

Even though i have the SI i still love the rsx type-s i was in the market for 1 before i got the SI the rsx looks so sick with the a-spec kit and leather is just pimp but i dont regret it

 

GTI imo. it's underrated. They dynoed a stock 06 gti and it put down 197fwhp and 207 ft/lbs tq.

EIP has one that they dynoed with thier new chip and a 3" exhaust and it put down something like 270whp and 299ft/lbs tq. I'll search for the dyno, but for $1000, it seems you wouldn't get any where near the power out of the other two. The MKV gti is much better at holding power with the smaller turbo because of the engine size being 2.0 rather than 1.8.

edit: Sorry, 232whp and 292ft/lbs tq with 3"dp and 2.5 Cat back. It's still putting out 200ft/lbs at 5k rpm, which isn't too shabby. A bigger turbo is supposedly going to be yielding 350whp easily and 400 with a little more work. Great new engine in these things...

http://www.eiptuning.com/eip/i...0.jpg

Ok, and the price difference is negligible. You can get a GTI for about $22k. It's a basic model, but VW's base models do have a lot of things as standard that would be optional in another car. And to say, if I buy this car the price difference is xxx and I can put xxx in to make it faster than the car that cost xxx more is dumb. Yes, you can buy a civic and give it 600hp and have it run faster than a ferrarri if you spend the extra $100,000 on it, but that's not a very good arguement. If you're comparing stock to stock preformance and then price per mod afterwards, one car shouldn't get and extra $5k because it was cheaper. I remember at one point dodge had a concept that was rwd with the srt-4's engine in it and it was only supposed to be $16k. With that arguement there's no way that you could have ever come up with the new civic si being a better car because off the bat, you have a rwd car with over 200hp and an extra $5,000 to blow on it to get it up to the civic's base price.


Modified by RC51WV at 7:26 AM 12/11/2006

 

Exactly what about what I said makes "the honda community look bad". I'm just pointing out facts. Cold hard facts. The Si is a better value and holds level if not outperforms both the GTi and RSX. And yet it is the lowest priced of all three (that is if you can avoid the dealer markups). Acura is the luxury brand of honda, nothing more. Why pay 4 grand more for something with leather and a few more hp. Why pay a few thousand more for a hefty VW that's nearly 400 lbs. heavier than the Si and is inferior to the Si's handling? Maybe I can justify purchasing the RSX type S, after all I kinda like the styling and the clutch is much better. But the GTi, NOPE! But what do I know....i'm just a newbie that's driven all three cars and raced against the two. Im not bashing either one of the cars. They're all nice. Very nice. And they all handle well. It's just the Si is a much more reasonable purchase. And just to make it fair, I gotta point out one bad thing that's really gettin under my skin about the Si and that's the friggin DBW system. Not diggin that at all. So there can we knock this senseless war off? It's just a damn opinion poll.

 

Why is the si a much more reasonable purchase? The GTI has more cargo room and a bigger back seat and only cost a little more. The engine has more torque and the suspension is softer making it a much more friendly daily driver. Those things make it inferior.

And when you say race, I seriously hope you don't mean from one side of the straight road of the industrial park to the other.

 

The SI feels very smooth during highway driving but is much stiffer on the streets which can get anoying sometimes but when you hit corners you quickly forget about that negative. If your a honda fan your not going to consider a gti they are 2 close in performance the gti has good mid range torque which is nice but it not's going to sound or pull in the revs like a honda would for me the choice was easy.

 

Volkswagen's reliability is generally in the bottom 1/4 of all major car makers. The GTI is an absolutely awesome car (especially with DSG) but I rely on my car for daily transportation and can't risk having something that is going to be in the shop a lot. VW has a lot going for them, their interiors are simply a class above anything for a similar price (I would say better even than BMW), they have a ton of aftermarket support (same can be said for Honda), and their engines are excellent platforms to modify (if you ignore reliability concerns). If I had the money to have a DD and a fun car sport compact it would probably be a GTI, but alas I am stuck looking for something that will reliably get me from point A to point B and have the ability to be fun sometimes.

Jon