On a nitto add in a magazine it said that they are coming out with a 225/45/r15, I know of only a couple other tires in this size and from what i have read these are pretty good tires...im wondering if anyone knows anything about these tires. Im trying to figure out if I could/should get these for my integra for spring time track events...i know that 225/50/r15's have some issues with rubbing but curious if these 45's would fit...thanx

 

you'd be better off with a 205/50/15 falken azenis.

 

The NT-01's are way stickier than the Azenis. I'm not sure what you mean otherwise.

All I've heard is good things about the NT-01's. Have yet to try them though.


I had the 225 45 15 V700, didn't like the tire but it never rubbed with a wheel offset of 45 at 7" wide.

 

to be totally honest with you I had a full set of azenis on my 17's, they were 205/40/r17's and I want to try something new as they didnt seem much better if at all than my well priced General UHP's

 

thanks for the input dvp...im just hoping that when they said coming soon for the 225/45's that they will be for sale by spring...otherwise i may have to go elsewear

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dvp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The NT-01's are way stickier than the Azenis. I'm not sure what you mean otherwise.

All I've heard is good things about the NT-01's. Have yet to try them though.


I had the 225 45 15 V700, didn't like the tire but it never rubbed with a wheel offset of 45 at 7" wide.</TD></TR></TABLE>

way stickier? doubtful and i won't believe it until i see a head-to-head comparo. i really don't see the point in the half-assed r-comps anyway (nt01s, a032rs, etc). if you want a track tire, get a real track tire. if you want something that will perform great at the track, but also get you there, get the azenis.

 

Have you ever owned any of the "half-assed" R compound tires? They (and I do mean all) all out perform the Azenis.
RA-1, A032R's, Ventus Z211, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, Ecsta V700 and the NT-01 let alone any others. Plus they have very very good wear for what you get out of them.
The Azenis are a great street tire but they are not (without question) as sticky as any of the above. I don't need to see testing to know that.

 

i have tracked azenis, a032rs, and z211s. i adamantly feel the crossovers are a waste of money.

 

Understood, I don't.

 

I'm with dvp on this one. Every R compound tire I've ever used is stickier than the Falken Azenis (RT-215 and RT-615). This is NOT a knock on the Azenis! On dry pavement in moderate to warm temperatures, the Azenis is the stickiest street tire you can buy, and I often recommend them to folks who are looking for that, and don't care about its downsides (so-son in wet, and rapid treadwear).

I'm not sure what a "crossover" is with respect to R compound tires. The folks I know who are using the NT-01 say that it's a decent track tire. I don't think there are any truly bad track tires out there; they're all pretty darn good. If anything, the Azenis is the one that could be called a "crossover", in that it's designed to fall in between street tires and R compound track tires with respect to most characteristics.

As for your original question regarding what to buy, it's not clear whether you are asking about tires ONLY for track use, or ALSO for street use. If you're looking for tires to use on the street and on the track, then the Azenis RT-615 is a fine choice. If you are looking for tires only for the track, then there are a lot of good choices out there. I'm using the Toyo RA-1, which is very good and fairly inexpensive. Other R comps include the previously-mentioned NT-01, Yokohama A032R and A048, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, Avon Tech R, Pirelli PZero Corsa, Hankook Z211 and Z214, Kumho V700 Victoracer and Ecsta V710, etc etc etc. Unless you're in actual competition events, I would suggest sticking with 205/50-15, for which most of these tires are available. Also, 205/50-15 fits fine on the stick 15x6 rims. I've been very happy with the RA-1 in 205/50-15 on my ITR.

 

thank you for the information...I am looking for track tires in the spring.

Also on top of some autocrossing I plan to take my car to the track and am looking to figure out whether i should stick with the same tires for my autocrossing or get some drag radials. I need something that can hook fairly well since I have trouble hooking at the track w/ my turbo'd integra, I have been considering the Bfg's sinceI have heard very good things about them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kshgl87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also on top of some autocrossing I plan to take my car to the track and am looking to figure out whether i should stick with the same tires for my autocrossing or get some drag radials. I need something that can hook fairly well since I have trouble hooking at the track w/ my turbo'd integra, I have been considering the Bfg's sinceI have heard very good things about them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you talking about going to the track, or going to the dragstrip?

 

I think when he say at the track he means the dragstrip.

 

sorry bout not being clear...I intend to do both, Im going to be doing some minor autocrossing and take it to the strip come spring...I have a set of wheels for everyday, and a set Im going to put tires for road racing/autocrossing on.

If I find it will help I am considering buying 2 extra wheels for the front to either hold slicks or drag radials...but am wondering if it is worth it (would there be a tire that would be best to do both?).

 

Okay, since these tires will only be for autocross, road racing, and the dragstrip, they don't need to be street tires. So I would rule out the Azenis in this case.

R compound track tires made for autocross and road racing are designed to excel at cornering as well as accelerating and braking. (Some of these are even specifically designed for autocross, which have softer compounds that don't need as much warmup as road racing tires, but if you're not competing for every last thousandth of a second, you're better off getting road racing R comps.) Drag radials are made for the dragstrip and are designed to excel only at accelerating, and are designed with the expectation that they will be run at lower pressures. You can use either kind of tire in the other activity, but they won't perform as well as tires made specifically for that purpose. You ask whether it's worth it to get drag radials for the dragstrip in addition to the R comps for autocross and road racing; that depends on whether you really care about getting every last tenth of a second there, and are willing to pay for it. (You could always try the road racing R comps at the dragstrip, and if you're not satisfied with the way they stick, THEN go ahead and get the extra wheels and drag radials...)

 

According to a friend who used to use the Toyo RA-1 and now uses the Nitto NT-01 on his RR/AutoX A2 Jetta, they are very similar tires in performance and wear. I have no clue which is cheaper since I have very little experience on R-comps but he said he wouldn't hesitate to recommend either, he just bought NT-01s 2x now because they were a bit cheaper for him (some dealership connection). He also uses them when he brings his car to the strip and they seem to hook up fine even though he is running a ridiculously stiff/light car with 230lb/ft of torque at the wheels. I am sure drag radials would be better, but unless your are competing I would just the the R-comps that will work relatively well for both.

Jon

 

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i'm guessing the original poster is a novice at road racing/track schools? in that case he will not want to be starting on r-comps. heck, i know instructors that won't even get in a car with a novice who shows up on them. the azenis are still a great for everything he intends on doing and they won't get him in trouble if he does take them out to the track.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm guessing the original poster is a novice at road racing/track schools? in that case he will not want to be starting on r-comps. heck, i know instructors that won't even get in a car with a novice who shows up on them. the azenis are still a great for everything he intends on doing and they won't get him in trouble if he does take them out to the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. If he is indeed a novice (fewer than 5-6 events).