I have a dillema right now. I'm contemplating either purchasing a greddy turbo kit or jackson supercharger. I want everything to be smog legal, so these two kits will have to do it for me. I need to pass smog.

My questions are, what have people dyno'd their RS/LS with a greddy turbo kit, all internals stock? Also, where's the best place to purchase a kit?

Next, I have 160K miles on my motor right now, but it runs very very strong. Still get 33 mpg. I've just done a major tune up on the car (water pump, timing belt, rear main seal, cam seals, cam plug, rotor and cap, new wires and spark plugs, etc.) The motor does burn one quart of oil per 3K miles. Not too bad.

Anyhow, just wanted to see your thoughts on this. I've searched for dyno sheets on this setup but couldnt find any.

 

what are your goals for the car and what do you plan on doing with it? and if its burning oil id deffinantly get that fixed before i would even think about boost

edit...i know a guy running 14 psi on his stock ls motor and he made 300whp...but i wouldnt advise that much boost

 

both great options for buck. flip a coin.

 

My goal is 200whp, which is easily attainable with the greddy kit, i assume. The supercharger does make some nice power as well, but nothing close to the Greddy kit.

I just searched on TI and saw people saying they were getting 215 whp on a bone stock LS. Not too shabby. Best I saw with a jackson is 165whp. But power is instant.

 

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I just searched on TI and saw people saying they were getting 215 whp on a bone stock LS. Not too shabby. Best I saw with a jackson is 165whp. But power is instant.</TD></TR></TABLE>

true but you have to give power to make power on a supercharger...id turbo it..run 9 or 10 psi and youll be at like 250ish..plus ls motors already have lower compression

 

if you are happy with the power that an ls with a jrsc will make i would say it is your best option. if you feel that you will continue upgrading for the amount of time you have the car go with the greddy turbo kit. with turbo you have more things you can upgrade or change to make more power.... bigger ic, clip turbo, wastegate mod and more boost, ic sprayer, exhaust work, or even vtec head. jackson racing you only really have lht intercooler, water injection, nitrous, and header/exhaust.
if you do go with the jrsc i would drop a p72 gsr head on your engine first making it an ls/vtec, this way when you supercharge it you will already have slightly higher compression, vtec, and most importantly you will get the larger m62 supercharger rather than the small m45 supercharger jr supplies in their ls sc kit. altogether i think this would be your best bet for making the power you would like. i would also run the comptech icebox and intake arm designed to work with the jrsc for a near stock looking setup.


Modified by KraZEtEggIE at 2:22 AM 12/7/2006

 

JRSC isn't about peak hp and tq like a turbo setup is more made for..Its more like swapping a really torque v6 in...


I &lt;3 my jrsc,its not really a drag racer setup tho like a turbo would be more of

I drag race yes, buttttttttttttttttttt I'm hella slower than the turbo LS's...I also spank major *** in the autox

 

During an autox event, do you feel your JRSC setup is better than a Greddy setup?

Thanks for the replies back guys. Great advice. The reason I'm asking these questions, is that I found a greddy turbo kit from a moderator on TI for around 1800, which foremost, has an awesome price tag, second, its a complete setup minus the 310cc injectors. It already comes with a front mount intercooler, BOV, SS downpipe, 3" cat, etc. For the money, it cant be beat.

Although, I called Jackson racing last week, and they have a few JRSC sets available, brand new, for 1900. Although it doesnt have as much "things" as the greddy kit, and definitely not as fast, it is brand new.

I'm not really looking for peak hp per se'. My car is a daily driver, which I drive 100 miles monday thru friday. I rarely race, if at all. I will do an HPDE, once or twice a year, and a few canyon runs. Other than that, I just want something that will give me a little bit more power than what I have so far. My suspension is pretty much done, so I figured I'll concentrate on the power aspect.

My budget is 2K, so both setups fit perfectly within my budget.

 

Sounds like you might like the JRSC setup. I really love the linear torque,and it is hella faster than it was in N/A form. I plan on upgrading really soon, swapping B20z in and going LHT intercooler..
I would have concerns about driving that many miles everyday in a boosted car in general,they say JRSC's throw alot of belts

 

That's what I heard as well.

As for the amount of miles, with the turbo setup, the moderator from TI was getting over 30mpg and said the car's engine still reacted like it was stock since he wasn't always "on boost." He said he hits full boost around 3500, which is pretty damn good. I don't race much and just like knowing the fact that I'll have the power on tap if I ever need it. I'm pretty good at keeping up with the maintenance on my car, so I feel that reliability is somewhat dependent on the owner as well.

 

JRSC is a hunk of ****... PERIOD

i had a greddy kit, it is a great kit, lots of power potential and very reliable!!!!!

hit me up via pm i am selling my greddy kit also, and i can give u a lot more first hand exeprience..

 

jrsc used = 1000-1200
vtec head = 400
ls/v parts = 100-250
street tuning = 250

 

definitely turbo

 

So this guy is basically in the same slump that I am in. I drive many miles a day just like him. This dude needs a reliable car that he doesn't need to worry about some BOV or exhaust mani cracking or whatever may possibly happen with a forced induction car.

This is why I say a simple 50-60hp wet shot of nitrous would be the best bang for this guys buck. He admits to only wanting 200hp. What could possibly be a better and more cost effective way to make only 200hp? I think we all know the answer to this question. Therefore, my advice to this dude is a 50hp wet shot of nitrous.

Hope this helps!

 

I used to run a direct port NOS on my old SER. Its a good cheap way to get extra horsepower, but I'm not looking to drag race, nor do I want another nitrous system. I'm looking for a way to increase power, still have a somewhat reliable car, but at the same time, I can tap into that power source whenever I need it. I know NOS provides the same things, but its not useful during an autox or canyon run, which is what I'll be doing a few times a year.

 

Sent you a PM

 

if you only want 200hp why not just buy an h series swap? then there is more potential if you want more HP.

 

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Unless he does the labor, this will be over $2000 (although it seems like the other 2 options will be too unless he is doing the work). I would only go H22 if he decides to go "all out" in drag racing and have the best potential. Either that or K24 with a K20 head. Before you decide to get either a turbo or supercharger, look into heatsoak.

Personally I would never supercharge a 4 cyl. car (and I'm getting to the point where I wouldn't to a V8 either) unless I did it to "prove something". It just isn't as efficient and there is not much room for improvement other than a different pulley.

 

no one is talking about all out drag car. he seems to want a reliable setup, an h swap with bolt ons would be great considering his goal.....which is to low if you ask me

 

Well I'm definitely not going to complain if I hit more than 200hp lol.

The H22 swap was something I was considering, but the engine, tranny, motor mounts, labor, etc would bring me closer to 3-4K. A lilttle out of my price range, plus I still need the little creature comforts such as AC. Can't live without AC in CA

Definitely considering the tubro kit route. I have a few feelers out there for pricing on their kits. We'll see what happens.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snowboardgeek1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I'm definitely not going to complain if I hit more than 200hp lol.

The H22 swap was something I was considering, but the engine, tranny, motor mounts, labor, etc would bring me closer to 3-4K. A lilttle out of my price range, plus I still need the little creature comforts such as AC. Can't live without AC in CA

Definitely considering the tubro kit route. I have a few feelers out there for pricing on their kits. We'll see what happens.</TD></TR></TABLE>

good luck fitting turbo in if you wanna keep your A/C.

 

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good luck fitting turbo in if you wanna keep your A/C.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's not very hard. a lot of bolt-on turbo kits such as greddy and drag retain ac. im keeping the ac in my turbo gsr.


Modified by civicdxtyper at 1:16 PM 12/8/2006

 

i'd def. go turbo man, i have the 18g kit on my car its a little upgraded but its sick. also its a jdm gsr with high compression but with a good tune like mine, its my daily driver always on 10psi, been runnin strong for more than a year now with lots of drag racing time and racing in general.....i'd go with the turbo cause i have one and i love it and honestly, any other honda thats supercharged is never really a fast car. goo turbo, the power will be there when u get on it but itll give the motor a break and really good gas mileage when just cruisin........plus if i were u, i'd try to find a good condition used 18g kit here on honda-tech, lots of good ones with good mods done to the kit for fairly cheap. i bought mine for $1,600 with 550 injectors, ic piping, bov, front mount and p28 ecu with crome pro...turbos still like new

 

That's an awesome price for your turbo setup. I'm trying to find deals like that as well. There's one from TI with a setup similar to yours, for around the same price, so the deals are definitely out there.

Also, to the previous poster, one of the main reasons I'm going with the Greddy kit, is the ability to keep my AC. The Greddy kit allows you to keep your AC and power steering as well. Its a great kit for the daily drivers out there.

 

well i guess for the results that theOP wants he could retain his A/C with a relatively small turbo/header setup but mine's more of a race setup... spider headers are friggin huge... no room for A/C!!!!