The new HC rules are up, and there are a lot of big changes (right click, save as)

http://www.nasaproracing.com/r...e.pdf

As my car sits right now it would be a H3 car. To move up to H2 I would need to:
-Get a big brake system? how much does this actually help lap times?
-light wt. battery, EZ mod and cheap.
-Light'n my hood, EZ mod and cheap.
-bore my TB to the max 62mm, EZ mod and cheap.
-Adjustable cam gears, again EZ mod and not too much $$

The hold ups I have about the new h2 class is:
1) the open cam gears. This ups my chances of piston to valve contact if I over-rev the engine or miss a shift, and I love how bullet proof my engine is in it's current OEM configuration.
2) The weight difference between the lightest car and heaviest car is 800lbs!! That's a huge difference and will make the track layout play a big factor in lap times for different cars. Ie LOWE's Vs Mid-O. The lighter cars will have the advantage at a tight track like Mid-O, but at an open track like LOWE's or even Summit point with it's long *** strait, the heavy more powerful cars will eat them up down the strait, then block them in the turns. +- 200lbs in class to even cars out is good, but +- 800lbs to try to even out cars is a bit much IMO.
3) Not legal for SCCA ITR anymore.

Anyway, I still might run H2 if that's is were everyone else is. Who will be running H2 next year and in what region? ...and who will be running H3 next year and in what region? I would like to get an idea so I can start buying parts, if I need to

Thanks,

 

Personally, I wouldn't change a damn thing until you see some LMS cars coming out to play. Not saying that I don't think they'll be there ... just saying that I think it will take some time to get the class up and going. Plus, the min weights and mods were layed out by best guesses. There will likely be changes made once they have some imperical data from people building these cars. I'd suggest just running in your current configuration (unless there is something you really feel compelled to change) until you feel like you're no longer competitive.

- Scott

 

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I agree 100%.

Nothing you mentioned is "required" for H2. (And I'm not exactly sure boring the TB is even legal, just using a bigger OEM TB that doesn't need to be bored is the way I read the rules...) Just start getting it down to weight and come have some fun. As for the adjustable cam gears, you don't HAVE to adjust them for radical cam timing. Some people just use them to compensate for a decked block or shaved head.

 

it says ANY TB may be use that is less than 62mm. To me that means Any OEM, Non OEM, aftermarket, modified OEM ect...

I know I don't have to do anything to the car other than the safety requirements, but I would like have a chance to win a race or 2 (this means building to the limits of the rules) I also don't want to be the only car in H3, so I might have to move up to H2 just to have someone to race with.

H2 or H3, that is the question.... I have to think about it some more.... what are the current H2 guys going to do?

 

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Well I suspect the current H2 ITR guys aren't going anywhere since they got JDM goodies (cams, pistons, etc.) and -75 pounds. The H2 Preludes will likely have to move down to H3 to be competitive since the H2 Prelude didn't get any JDM love and only -25 pounds.

I would really like to stay in H2 but I will be going down to H3 unless the Prelude gets more weight off and JDM parts to stay competitive with the ITR. Lets just hope H3 will make the registration quota to run at the Championships....

 

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I guess I didn't read that rule close enough.

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It will be interesting to see what affect all the changes in H2 have on the H3 option.

 

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Well I suspect the current H2 ITR guys aren't going anywhere since they got JDM goodies (cams, pistons, etc.) and -75 pounds. The H2 Preludes will likely have to move down to H3 to be competitive since the H2 Prelude didn't get any JDM love and only -25 pounds.

I would really like to stay in H2 but I will be going down to H3 unless the Prelude gets more weight off and JDM parts to stay competitive with the ITR. Lets just hope H3 will make the registration quota to run at the Championships....

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I was planning to not change a thing with the setup of the car that way I can run either with removable ballast, especially given that we actually have no idea how many new cars will come out for H2(aside from some upgrades that would still be H3 legal - better suspension, flywheel, etc).. why not keep running H2 until there's a reason not to? really no reason to go through all the money and expense to get the extra .5 point of compression until someone shows up with a car that's clearly faster..

Wai? what were you planning on doing?

 

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really no reason to go through all the money and expense to get the extra .5 point of compression until someone shows up with a car that's clearly faster..
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Exactly!!!

Don't change a thing, and just run whatever class you want until someone shows up with something that "makes" you upgrade.

Don't worry guys, I think the "Ludes" will get some more love in the next month or so!!!

For clarification, yes, you can bore out your TB to 62mm! Reason we did this is because it's much cheaper (about 80 bucks if you look around) to get your TB bored out than to go out and buy a Type R TB!

 

I'm going to stay in the new H3 next year, and see how it goes. I hope a few of you old H2 guys stay with me

I plan on running all the Mid-O races this year. If we get Wai, mstewer, Trackrat, JohW, and the guys from Honda R&D to all bring out their H3 cars, we will have 5 cars and that's not bad at all.

 

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I plan on running all the Mid-O races this year. If we get Wai, mstewer, Trackrat, JohW, and the guys from Honda R&D to all bring out their H3 cars, we will have 5 cars and that's not bad at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>

are you going to stay in H3 even if we all ran H2 though?

unless it's supposed to snow or something like that, I'll be Mid-O in april.. not sure after that..

 

im planning to run h2 just as she sits next season, no mods

and plan on rolling everybody

 

I am really considering putting some 0.040" pistons in the ITR to get it back to H3, but I'm kinda waiting on a ruling on whether or not I can run it in H2 as an H3-prepped car (but not an LPV, since I can't run 0.040" pisons in a LPV car) Too bad my cylinders are already bored past the LPV limit.

Given the choice, I'd probably run it in H2? One less sticker to buy (I already have "2" stickers).

 

couldn't you just source a stock block (bare or not)?

I swore I saw Andrie selling an ITR shortblock for a decent price..

 

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Mark, I think I will be in H2.
I think you remember seeing the ballasts in my car right? I would love to loose some of them. Other than that, brakes, ECU are the only things that I *could* consider upgrading.

Most likely I would just fix the car with JDM B18C and run the car as is, only with less ballasts.

 

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That's funny right there!

I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do. I thought I'd make a few small changes and run enduros with SCCA in the new ITR class...but after studying the rules, the list of changes isn't short and a few of the changes are just stoopid; like putting power steering, OEM motor mounts, upper control arms, and flywheel back on. I may stick with NASA and crush Parrker's fantasy in H2, or run with the possibility of higher car counts in H3. Or, I may just park it for 2007 and see how things shake out. Honestly, with all that's going on right now, taking a year off next year seems about right.

On the question of H2 vs H3, I'll run where the most cars are.

 

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Shameless plug for H3, at least you won't have to
-get cam gears
-upgrade the brakes
-get those pimpy valvesprings that let you rev to 9500 RPM
...

 

there will be a h3 gsr running out of columbia again