I took my '07 FA5 to the dealer and I carefully explained the "Over Rev" and "Cold Stumble" problems to the Service Writer. He shook his head up and made noises like he understood what I was talking about. His eyes brightened when I showed him a copy of the service bulletin for the '06 Si's explaining the reflash authorization for the '06 models and I felt confident that the problem would be addressed.

I left the car for three hours and returned expecting to have the ECU reprogrammed. When I returned the Service Weasel said that Honda does not "have a campaign" for the '07 Si and so they did not reprogram my ECU. Sh*t! I still have the problem.

So my next step is to beg Honda America to post a service bulletin for the '07 Si's. If your '07 Si has the same type of Cold Stumble and Over Rev that the '06 Si had, please contact American Honda and tell them to get their act together.

Scott


Modified by cbstd at 1:46 PM 12/2/2006

 

thanks for the info P'med

 

What exactly do you mean by cold stumble? My car is defiantly a little hesitant when its driving on a cold motor, this is pretty normal with "newer" cars. According to the master tech at my work its perfectly normally and he said to just drive conservatively(shift under 3-4k) until its warmed up a bit more.

Over-rev? I'm assuming you referring to the rev-hang that was an issue with the first batch of Si's? Most DBW setups are programmed this way for a purpose, obviously excessive rev-hang isn't a good thing but a little rev-hang in between gears is normal.

Honestly I think a lot of people who drive their new Si's aren't familiar with the learning ECU, DBW setup, etc its kinda weird at first so they flip out and assume it needs a "re-flash". Drive the car for a while and become more acquainted with its driving characteristics and allow it some time to learn your style of driving before you go to American Honda demanding that you get your ECU "reprogrammed".

Just my 2 cents

 

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The cold stumble is really not a big deal, just a bit of rough running for the first couple of blocks.

The over rev issue is an engine that keep going for a couple of seconds longer than neccesary when the foot is off the gas. I can deal with it, but some moron will drill his new Si into the back of a semi and then sue the living daylights out of American Honda.

DBW is a beautiful thing. But a bad bit of code is a bad bit of code. If Chrysler can get DBW right 12 years ago on the Prowler then Honda need to chain those coding nerds to the coffee machine until they get the off gas response right.

Scott

 

You honestly think that someone is going to "drill" their Si into the back of another vehicle because of a SLIGHT rev-hang ? The rev-hang is far from a serious issue.

Its not "bad code", its more than likely intentional coding put in place in for a reason. Now we've resulted to comparing Chrysler to Honda... ? Last time I checked Honda was engineering jet planes, F1 cars and some of the most affordable, reliable, quality economy cars avaliable... cant exactly say the same for Chrysler. Call me a fan-boy but I'm more than confident in Honda's "coding", engineering and reasons for doing things the way they do.

 

Dude,

You are truly a huge Honda fan and willing to apologize for anything. I am a 20 year, 7 Honda customer who also holds all things Honda in high esteem.

But this is seemingly simple and basic. When you let off the gas, the rpms should drop... immediately. Not in few seconds, but NOW.

Am I complaining about a small issue? Yeah. But Honda is famous for sweating the small issues.

The thing is: Honda has published a "fix-it" for the 2006 model Si's. My early 2007 Si has the same problem and because Honda has not published a "fix-it" for the 2007 model year I have to live with an error in code that the earlier cars have had corrected.

Scott

 

I agree. If you can make the process of complaining extremely simple and quick for me, I'll definitely take part.

 

ummm i just got my 07 fg2...and i get the same feeling kinda...buttt i think its just because the motor isnt broken it yet...so no high revving for me. but more info would be appreciated.

 

I don't know if anyone else already clarified this or not because your post frustrated me.

The reflash that is performed on the 06s to help with the throttle lag, rev hang, and bucking DOES NOT STOP any of it... it only improves it. Your car already has the updated software, if you think YOUR car is bad now? Come drive mine, I STILL cant get the reflash... crappy dealers.

 

You should take a weekend trip somewhere nice that has a Honda dealer that does this upgrade.

 

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Technically he already has the update. After, what, production model ('06) 72xx (can't remember) every Si released to the public has the updated ECU flash; this would include all '07s as well.

Although I can't wait until Honda decideds to tune the rev hang down a little (if that ever happens). It's not so bad now since I'm used to it, but I do miss the throttle cable feel. And it still weirds me out that I can quickly stomp on the gas and let off without any response...

 

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DBW is a beautiful thing. But a bad bit of code is a bad bit of code. If Chrysler can get DBW right 12 years ago on the Prowler then Honda need to chain those coding nerds to the coffee machine until they get the off gas response right.
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Probably not a good idea to use an example of a carmakers defunkt model lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude,

You are truly a huge Honda fan and willing to apologize for anything. I am a 20 year, 7 Honda customer who also holds all things Honda in high esteem.

But this is seemingly simple and basic. When you let off the gas, the rpms should drop... immediately. Not in few seconds, but NOW.

Am I complaining about a small issue? Yeah. But Honda is famous for sweating the small issues.

The thing is: Honda has published a "fix-it" for the 2006 model Si's. My early 2007 Si has the same problem and because Honda has not published a "fix-it" for the 2007 model year I have to live with an error in code that the earlier cars have had corrected.

Scott</TD></TR></TABLE>

What exactly did I apologize for?

YOUR ECU COMES WITH THE UPDATED SOFTWARE FROM THE FACTORY, YOU DONT NEED ANY SORT OF "RE-FLASH"! Whats so hard to understand about this? The update that dealerships perform with the HDS tablet has, in essence, already been "performed" on your car.

 

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YOUR ECU COMES WITH THE UPDATED SOFTWARE FROM THE FACTORY, YOU DONT NEED ANY SORT OF "RE-FLASH"! Whats so hard to understand about this? The update that dealerships perform with the HDS tablet has, in essence, already been "performed" on your car.
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Then Honda needs to rethink their current form of software 'cause Chrysler got DBW correct 12 years ago on the Prowler.

Scott

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Then Honda needs to rethink their current form of software 'cause Chrysler got DBW correct 12 years ago on the Prowler.

Scott</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok
Please step back for a moment and think about this.

Honda won car of the year last year.
90% of the owners on this forum own Honda's
(i've owned 5 personally)

Minor things like that... are input into the system for everyday driver A
A very miniscule portion of the population of civic owners are "tuners" that nit pick everything on the damn car.
OThers are just happy they have a reliable, peppy car etc etc

SO... please get off the DBW thing.....

 

I have no issues with my throttle (DBW).

 

I have no issues with DBW as well. True, it can get annoying for me when I'm so used to non-DBW cars, but I've learned to live with it and I love my car.

It's not going to cause an accident, even if I was a new or crappy driver. When you take your foot of the gas in gear, you will still decelerate. Nobody will "drill his new Si into the back of a semi" because of this, unless they freaking forgot how to downshift or use the damn brake pedal.


Modified by MonkeyConQueso at 10:36 AM 11/29/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type X &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Honda won car of the year last year.
SO... please get off the DBW thing.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do not know why everyone is so defensive.

I am not arguing that the car is not terrific. It is. But it could be better with a simple line or two of new code to improve off throttle response.

Unless the consumers give feed back, the manufacturers will not know what to improve. If you truly are a Honda fan it would be important for you to see that the company stretchs to make a great product even better.

Scott

 

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I am not arguing that the car is not terrific. It is. But it could be better with a simple line or two of new code to improve off throttle response. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Scott,

We aren't being defensive... we are being logical.
If the fix is just "2 lines of code" like you think it is.
Why can't hondata crack it for K-pro? Why does it take honda so long to issue updates on it.

I think its more complex than, hit the no rev hang button.

- mike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am not arguing that the car is not terrific. It is. But it could be better with a simple line or two of new code to improve off throttle response.
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You can always go with a K24 throttle body and RSX ECU to eliminate the DBW. Then, you have no problem adding K-pro.

 

Hi guys.

I haven't experienced the over-rev problem on my 07 Civic, but my NSX had a recall because the RPMs would drop too quickly after letting off the gas. This seams to be the opposite problem as the Civic. The NSX problem was fixed with a computer update. Both the NSX and Civic SI are throttle by wire so I suspect Honda will eventually fix it. I do experience the stumbling for about two blocks when the car is cold. Not a big deal for me but I will let Honda know about it.

Don

 

Get use to the bucking when cold. It is caused by the MAF sensor. It will NEVER be fixed

And get use to the DBW it will never be fixed. There will always be lag. You better be happy with what you got. Us early 06's Si had it bad before the recent update.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by donemail &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I do experience the stumbling for about two blocks when the car is cold. Not a big deal for me but I will let Honda know about it.
Don</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is exactly the kind of action I am hoping loyal Honda owners will take.

Let the company know that there is an issue of one kind or another and Honda will eventually fix it.

Sticking you head in the sand and ignoring a simple defect serves no constructive purpose.

Scott

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

This is exactly the kind of action I am hoping loyal Honda owners will take.

Let the company know that there is an issue of one kind or another and Honda will eventually fix it.

Sticking you head in the sand and ignoring a simple defect serves no constructive purpose.

Scott</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dont you think they already know about these problems? That's why they already had the Service Bulletin for these same problems. The car has ONLY been out for a year. Give it some time. And if it was so easy to fix this problem, shouldn't it have been fixed already?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Caveman74 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont you think they already know about these problems? That's why they already had the Service Bulletin for these same problems. The car has ONLY been out for a year. Give it some time. And if it was so easy to fix this problem, shouldn't it have been fixed already?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It must be a symptom of the current generation to just lie back and humbly accept whatever The Man gives you. Us old hippies stopped an unjust war and hounded a dishonest president from office by taking direct action.

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