didn't know where i should post this, but i wanted to know everyone's opinions/facts on which is the overall superior motor. i know i may get biased answers because this is the lude section. I searched. but could really find anything specific.

 

this could get messy

 

Its all a matter of opinion. Its too subjective to declare an outright winner. Head out to the track and run them. However. H > B IMO.

 

from what i've summed up so far. b>h for boost.
how is the h better than the b? besides the tq

 

oil pump is a starter

 

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Agreed.

And I really don't see a point in comparing the two.

 

id have to say that a bseries just gives more room for error that an h series. But if you have someone that really knows what they are doing an h series is by far a better motor than the b series. Pretty much the biggest problem with the h22 is the lack of aftermarket support compared to the b and d series platforms.

 

A&lt;13b&lt;D&lt;350 SB&lt;B&lt;454&lt;20b&lt;H

Because why not. How can you just say one engine is better than another...anything has potential.

 

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You can't really give a blanket answer, especially if we don't know the whole question.

Better motor for what; drag, street, high rev, boost, show, high hp, high trq, doorstop?

As with any two choices, each has their +/-. The more specific you can make your question, the answers will follow (hopefully).

 

What's the old saying? There's no replacement for displacement? I'll take my 2.2

 

How big is your wallet?

i vote this gets locked...its pointless

 

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You can't really give a blanket answer, especially if we don't know the whole question.

Better motor for what; drag, street, high rev, boost, show, high hp, high trq, doorstop?

As with any two choices, each has their +/-. The more specific you can make your question, the answers will follow (hopefully).</TD></TR></TABLE>

well what i meant was like an overall better motor as far as response to bolt on's, boost, or which motor is superior from the factory. such as hp/redline/ which one is stronger.. etc

 

there's a reason why civics want h22 swaps

and it was second in line for honda after the nsx engine.

but yea, the question was doomed from the start.

its like the infamous domestic vs import

mac vs pc

ipod vs whatever

i think the OP wants to justify something and needs other ppl's opinions to formulate his opinion

 

two reasons.

Displacement & Head Flow

 

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You would be correct. The OP made this statement below on another forum, but has unexpectedly run into resistance, and needs to actually back himself up. I guess that's what you guys are for, H-T

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Link or ban!

 

Looks like someone was looking for a bandwagon to jump on...

 

This is pointless...I mean...If you take a H22 and throw it in a Civic then thats gonna own. If you throw the B18 in a prelude then your just plain STUPID!

/lock thread

 

perfect statement <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteBB2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is pointless...I mean...If you take a H22 and throw it in a Civic then thats gonna own. If you throw the B18 in a prelude then your just plain STUPID!

/lock thread

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I'll give this a shot before it gets locked:

H&gt;B

Why? Simply because as far as engine design goes, we are all after one thing: HORSEPOWER. It's a known fact that displacement plays a big role in output capacity. Moving large amounts of air and fuel through an engine and converting it to rotational energy is ultimately limited by displacement. Therefore, 2.2L &gt; 1.8L.

B series are more efficient, you say? Are they really? The H22 has a r/s ratio of 1.57. Guess what the bad boy B18c's have? Yup, 1.58. Yet, the H22 makes peak torque @ 5200, vs. 6200 on a B18c1. The earlier and more abudant amount of torque means better drivability around the track and street alike, instead of having to wind it past 6k rpms to get around town, aka B16a.

Philosophically speaking, we equate success and reputation upon the size of things we own. A big house, big bank account, big motor. A b16/b18c swap into a Civic are becoming more common that seeing the stock D16 in the engine bay is actually shocking. But walk up to an H22 swapped Civic and you'll stop to stare in amazement of how they shoehorned that bad boy into such a small space. You then start imagining how that car must pull, with all the torque on tap, chirping 3rd and 4th gear. Then you imagine boosting it, then creaming your pants as you reach triple digit speeds in a matter of nanoseconds.

In conclusion, the H experience is one of superiority and coolness beyond words. Now that I have successfully sidetracked this thread, let's move on and talk about real tech, please!

 

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and it was second in line for honda after the nsx engine.

but yea, the question was doomed from the start.

its like the infamous domestic vs import

mac vs pc

ipod vs ZUNE

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there i fixed ur ipod statement

 

heres my quick opinion. it could not get as messy if we bring it down to a couple of categories.

h22:
-more power
- more torque
-bolt-on friendly
- ok aftermarket support
- doesnt weigh too much more than the b series
- better value for the money b/c of more power
- decent gearing (best is with euro r tranny)
- much better n/a drag engine

b18:
- more boost friendly
- lighter
- better gearing from type r tranny
- better handling in a civic chasis over h22

i guess it can come down to:
1 - response to mods (both engines get the same style rmf header, aem intake, and 2.5" exhaust, and a tune with hondata)
2- turbo friendly
3- aftermarket support
4- weight
5 - handling when it's in the same chasis (we'll have to use civic to compare)
6- price
7- power and torque
8- gearing
9 - headflow from the factory

Edit: if everyone copied and pasted the 10 categories and wrote in who they think wins then it would be much more organized and wont be messy.

feel free to add whatever other factors...after the initial 9.


Modified by 95hprelude at 2:49 PM 11/28/2006

 

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there i fixed ur ipod statement</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol i was thinking more along the lines of the creative zen, but zune is good (large, but good)

 

I have Lude, if I have civic or integ, I'd go for B series. Please check out Importbuilders.com. A lot of good info.

 

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lol i was thinking more along the lines of the creative zen, but zune is good (large, but good)

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yeah i picked zune b/c u picked mac vs pc lol

My opinion H&gt;B