I was wondering what the best tire for severe snow and ice conditions is? We get brutal winters up here in Canada and I also like to go skiiig alot so I need something to help me get around in real bad snow and ice conditions. I dont care about price, I just want the best. I'm even willing to go with studs, just whatever will grip the best. They are for my 91' integra and it doesnt do too well in the snow so it needs lots of help.


Modified by GsDAteg at 10:03 PM 11/27/2006

 

The correct sizes for you are either 195/60-14 or 195/55-15. The winter tires that top the list are the Bridgestone Blizzak REVO1, the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50, and the Michelin X-Ice.

Both the WS-50 and the X-Ice come in the correct sizes for you. The REVO1 does not, the closest size it comes in is 195/60-15 which is right on the limit of being too big for you.

There may have been some tires I over looked, I would wait a day or two to see if anyone else replies.

Oh, and expect to pay anywhere from $110-$140 per tire.

Cheers

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The correct sizes for you are either 195/60-14 or 195/55-15. The winter tires that top the list are the Bridgestone Blizzak REVO1, the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50, and the Michelin X-Ice.

Both the WS-50 and the X-Ice come in the correct sizes for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>



Incidentally, these are studless tires and will give you grip on snow and ice that's just as good as studded tires.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, and expect to pay anywhere from $110-$140 per tire.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I assume those are prices in Canada, quoted in Canadian dollars. In the States, those tires cost $80-90 in U.S. dollars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I assume those are prices in Canada, quoted in Canadian dollars. In the States, those tires cost $80-90 in U.S. dollars.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. I have yet to figure out why tires are so much more expensive in Canada. Guess where Michelin makes their North American tires? Canada....yet they are still cheaper in the States. I think Bridgestone makes a lot of their tires out east here as well. I scratch my head.

Cheers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guess where Michelin makes their North American tires?</TD></TR></TABLE>

According to their website, they have plants at 16 sites in North America, including 3 in Canada, 11 in the United States, and 2 in Mexico. Three of the U.S. sites have two plants each. Their North American regional headquarters are in Greenville, South Carolina.

 

Never mind I guess. I thought they had a lot more weight put into their Canadian manufacturing. I guess not.

 

I recently bought Kumho KW11's for my winter wheels and they are excellent in the snow and ice. Vancouver recently got bombarded by an unusual amount of snowfall and I had absolutely no problems getting around, even on unplowed side streets. They don't have them in your correct size for 15's but they do have them in 14's. They are a studdable tire, but I chose not to get them studded and couldn't be happier with them.

 

Nothing I have tried or ridden in has compared to the WS-50 for all around winter driving performance. I recently got to ride in a car on REVO-1s in the UP of Michigan and was unimpressed by its ability to clear its tread of snow and slush, on ice it seemed slightly better than the WS-50. The X-Ice worked well on my dad's car but didn't wear nearly as evenly as the WS-50 did on the same car but that may not apply at all to your car as his is a fat bastard to your mini-me.

Jon

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaF1Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing I have tried or ridden in has compared to the WS-50 for all around winter driving performance. I recently got to ride in a car on REVO-1s in the UP of Michigan and was unimpressed by its ability to clear its tread of snow and slush, on ice it seemed slightly better than the WS-50. The X-Ice worked well on my dad's car but didn't wear nearly as evenly as the WS-50 did on the same car but that may not apply at all to your car as his is a fat bastard to your mini-me.

Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tests say the REVO1 is suppose to be slightly better than the WS-50. I don't know what else to say. Getting a ride in a car once is not exactly most conclusive thing ever, lots of other variables (driver, car..etc) so who knows. I convinced my mom to get REVO1s on her Versa as oppose to some shitty Toyos or something. Maybe after this winter I might be able to offer some more feed back on those tires after I have fun with the versa in a snowy parking lot a few times . But in the end, they are all good tires compared to a lot of the other things out there.

OP: What part of Canada are you in anyways?

 

my dunlop dz101's actually did pretty well in the snow yesterday. suprisingly. seattle only had a few inches of snow though. no slips, no slides. my dz101's have about 2k miles on them tops. they are a summer tire though, not a traction tire.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by undercoverdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my dunlop dz101's actually did pretty well in the snow yesterday. suprisingly. seattle only had a few inches of snow though. no slips, no slides. my dz101's have about 2k miles on them tops. they are a summer tire though, not a traction tire.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, they are a summer tire. They should not be driven in the snow for both your sake and everyone else's sake.

 

lol had no choice really. snow was unexpected. there's gonna be a storm tomorrow too. argh....

 

and i going to enjoy the heck out of that snow tommorow and thursday thank the world for good snow tires like the michelin x-ice

 

So it looks like to top 2 choices would be than REVO1 and WS-50 then?? Can I/should I get them studded or sipped? Would there be any advantage to either one being done? My buddy has a set of crappy all seasons tires he got sipped that actually do surprisingly well in the snow/ice. I'm thinking if you added studs and siping to a nice winter tire, like the REVO1 or WS-50, that would be the ultimate in grip for snow and ice, right? Or are these tires best just to be left alone?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OP: What part of Canada are you in anyways? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I reside in Neslon, BC. Its a small town that get lots of snow and has some extremely steep on long hills that get very icey. If youve ever been here then you know why I need a really nice set of snows.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsDAteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So it looks like to top 2 choices would be than REVO1 and WS-50 then?? Can I/should I get them studded or sipped? Would there be any advantage to either one being done? My buddy has a set of crappy all seasons tires he got sipped that actually do surprisingly well in the snow/ice. I'm thinking if you added studs and siping to a nice winter tire, like the REVO1 or WS-50, that would be the ultimate in grip for snow and ice, right? Or are these tires best just to be left alone?


</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't forget the X-ice. Not to sure about studding the tires. Don't exactly know what the term 'sipped' means, I am ignorant sometimes. I my opinion you are probably better off just to leave those tires as is. Also if you are going to stud your tires make sure to first check with local laws and regulations because they could be illegal during certain times of the year if not outright prohibited. (they tend to be a little harsher on the roads)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsDAteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So it looks like to top 2 choices would be than REVO1 and WS-50 then??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Along with the X-Ice. All three choices are excellent.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsDAteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I/should I get them studded</TD></TR></TABLE>

No. All three of these tires are studless designs and are not designed to accept studs.

Also, any of these tires will give performance as good as studded tires or better, in most conditions on snow and ice. (They've done studies to prove this.)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsDAteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or sipped?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Again, no. Just use them as is. (Sipes are slits cut into the tread of the tire. The X-Ice actually has a tread pattern that is similar to siping.)

Again, they've done studies showing that the tires do best just as is.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsDAteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm thinking if you added studs and siping to a nice winter tire, like the REVO1 or WS-50, that would be the ultimate in grip for snow and ice, right? Or are these tires best just to be left alone?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Best just to be left alone.

 

Winterforce tires are great as well, and can be studded if need be. I've been running the same set for 4 years now and they are still gripping strong.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...M%2BS

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TomO &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Winterforce tires are great as well</TD></TR></TABLE>

Winterforce tires are not as good as the Blizzak or X-Ice.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TomO &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and can be studded if need be.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Studded tires are illegal in many areas, including the states of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan, and the province of Ontario.

Also, in most winter conditions, studded tires aren't as good as the studless tires like Blizzaks.

 

come on guys... NOKIAN !!! ALL THE WAY

 

Meh, I have used Hakka 2s and Qs and they are good but not worth the price premium over Blizzaks as the WS-50 is just as good at anything as the Hakka 2 or Q and the only other options in a true snow tire that Nokian offers is the LM-25 like RSi and the studded Hakka 4&5.

Jon

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tests say the REVO1 is suppose to be slightly better than the WS-50. I don't know what else to say. Getting a ride in a car once is not exactly most conclusive thing ever, lots of other variables (driver, car..etc) so who knows. I convinced my mom to get REVO1s on her Versa as oppose to some shitty Toyos or something. Maybe after this winter I might be able to offer some more feed back on those tires after I have fun with the versa in a snowy parking lot a few times . But in the end, they are all good tires compared to a lot of the other things out there.

OP: What part of Canada are you in anyways?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tire rack rates the WS50's better actually in deep snow. Reading the discription it looks like the REVO1's are for more of warmer climates where they get alot of ice and slush.

I have been searching forums all day for more people that have experienced both tires and really kinda came up empty. I've only driven the WS50's and I LOVED them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by asmallsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I have been searching forums all day for more people that have experienced both tires and really kinda came up empty. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That is probably because the revos are relatively new.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That is probably because the revos are relatively new.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep pretty much. And it doesn't help that the winters here start about a month before most of the country. So basicly I won't here reviews from many people for a few weeks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by asmallsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tire rack rates the WS50's better actually in deep snow.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, they don't. You're referring to their user survey results, which are notoriously unreliable, because the same people don't use both tires. Look instead at the testing they do side by side (same cars, same drivers, same time). They use an ice rink for cold-weather testing. They've tested the WS-50 against the REVO1 twice, here and here, also against winter performance, all-season, and summer tires here.

Both the WS-50 and the REVO1 are excellent choices for winter tires in cold-weather areas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, they don't. You're referring to their user survey results, which are notoriously unreliable, because the same people don't use both tires. Look instead at the testing they do side by side (same cars, same drivers, same time). They use an ice rink for cold-weather testing. They've tested the WS-50 against the REVO1 twice, here and here, also against winter performance, all-season, and summer tires here.

Both the WS-50 and the REVO1 are excellent choices for winter tires in cold-weather areas.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your right, however, that doesn't say anything about deep snow. Hard pack snow and ice can be simulated there but for deep snow, its hard to simulate.