Out of curiosity, have any of you guys in FGs with CAIs taken precautions against hydrolocking? Or is this whole thing about cold airs and water getting in the engine just an old wives tale?

 

an old wives tale!? suck some water into your engine and see what happens, thats why they sell the bypass for CAI. usually the map sensor will cut out your engine before major damage occurs but it could happen.

 

This has been discussed many times with a cai you always run the risk of hydrolocking although it dosent happen much it can and will if your filter is submerged in water even for a short period of time. I am running a injen sri not because i was afraid of hydrolocking i did it because its louder then a cai but def in the future i will run a cai to best take advantage of cold air. I also am sure they dont make a bypass valve for the fg2 yet if they did no 1 would ask this question.


Modified by WILD_WILL at 10:42 PM 11/24/2006

 

Far from a wifes tale... I work at a small hometown dealership and have seen at least 5 cases of hydro-locked motors due to cold air intakes in the last 1.5 years.

Either take extra care when driving in rain, or dont put a CAI on. Personally I dont think its worth the extra 5 hp (Not to mention the whole warranty voiding issue),but if youre going to install one be careful around large puddles.

 

I have a cold air intake,
I just put back my stock intake for the rainy season

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jonness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a cold air intake,
I just put back my stock intake for the rainy season</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why? It's just an old wives tale, go pour some water into your air intake, should be fine!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TRE_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(Not to mention the whole warranty voiding issue)</TD></TR></TABLE>

In what situation are you inferring the warranty would be voided? Also what entity would be voiding the warranty? The last time I read the Magnusson Moss warranty act It was illegal to void a new car warranty. Only the claim for which warranty work was submitted could be denied.

Obviously a claim for warranty work would be denied if someone rolled up with a hydrolocked engine due to the aftermarket intake, or even the stock induction system. Someone would also be hard pressed for ones own insurance to cover the damage with the aftermarket intake.

In the case where ones insurance did cover such damage the new engine would come with Honda Motor Company of America's warranty. If I am correct 12 month 12,000 mile warranty on parts and labor.

Simply put the presence of aftermarket parts or modifications alone is not grounds for voiding a warranty nor denying a warranty claim. The part must have cause or contributed to the cause for which a claim was submitted. Grounds for voiding a warranty are undeniable proof the owner used the car for racing/competition, or abuse.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WILD_WILL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This has been discussed many times with a cai you always run the risk of hydrolocking although it dosent happen much it can and will if your filter is submerged in water even for a short period of time. I am running a injen sri not because i was afraid of hydrolocking i did it because its louder then a cai but def in the future i will run a cai to best take advantage of cold air. I also am sure they dont make a bypass valve for the fg2 yet if they did no 1 would ask this question.


Modified by WILD_WILL at 10:42 PM 11/24/2006</TD></TR></TABLE> bypass valves are universal i thought. procivic.com has in there intake section some bypass valve adapter for a fg2.

 

fools! Everyone knows cars are both mammals and fish... it can breathe both!!!

(focuses on blowing up melons with his mind)

 

From what i understand there isnt room for 1 due to the tight engine bay.

 

I meant old wives tale in the context that CAIs can suck water into your engine, not that hydrolocking can render a motor worthless

Thanks for the input guys

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Banana! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I meant old wives tale in the context that CAIs can suck water into your engine, not that hydrolocking can render a motor worthless

Thanks for the input guys</TD></TR></TABLE>and i meant that if the intake manifold that connects to the CAI sucks in water your engine is fucked, that is why the stock air breather has reservoirs, so if you do suck in water it's not a straight pipe going into the intake manifold like a aftermarket CAI i would stick with the SRI because how would you know if the filter is dirty? you have to take off the bumper to change it! and cold air dosen't matter the pipe runs right next to the coolant hose.. turns into hot air so whats the point? i changed to a SRI for those reasons.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and cold air dosen't matter the pipe runs right next to the coolant hose.. turns into hot air so whats the point? </TD></TR></TABLE>

its doesnt matter that it turns into hot air, its about the fact that colder air has a higher density of oxygen molecules, so you are grabbing more oxygen in the first place by sucking up colder air. no matter what, its going to heat up since it is combusting, but getting cold air results in more engine effeciency.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you have to take off the bumper to change it! </TD></TR></TABLE>

no you dont.

btw i have heard of people putting bypass valves on fg's, but it takes a bit of cutting which i dont think i want to do on my own.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lynx Bus Type R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

In what situation are you inferring the warranty would be voided? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm inferring that if you install an aftermarket intake and your mass air flow sensor fails because of it your warranty will not pay to have the MAF replaced. Also, if you suck water up into your motor and hydro-lock it because of the intake your motor will NOT be covered under warranty.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Also what entity would be voiding the warranty? The last time I read the Magnusson Moss warranty act It was illegal to void a new car warranty. Only the claim for which warranty work was submitted could be denied. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Its perfectly legal to void a warranty if the aftermarket equipment installed caused any sort of malfunction/failure. The service department typically uses its own discretion according to the tech/manager as to if the car should be repaired under warranty.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Obviously a claim for warranty work would be denied if someone rolled up with a hydro-locked engine due to the aftermarket intake, or even the stock induction system. Someone would also be hard pressed for ones own insurance to cover the damage with the aftermarket intake.

In the case where ones insurance did cover such damage the new engine would come with Honda Motor Company of America's warranty. If I am correct 12 month 12,000 mile warranty on parts and labor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, all OE parts/labor come with a 1yr warranty. And in some cases insurance companies will incur the costs of repairs but that depends on the ins. provider and what kind of repairs are required.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Simply put the presence of aftermarket parts or modifications alone is not grounds for voiding a warranty nor denying a warranty claim. The part must have cause or contributed to the cause for which a claim was submitted. Grounds for voiding a warranty are undeniable proof the owner used the car for racing/competition, or abuse.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with you that the part(s) must have caused/contributed to a failure/malfunction. Even then, the presence of any sort of aftermarket parts is reason enough to assume that the owner used the car for racing/competition... why else would they install such parts?

Do you have any real world experience with warranty work? I deal with it on a daily basis and am pretty familiar with how every single process works. Sure you can install an intake and still retain much of your warranty .. IE if your window regulator fails, they'll still replace it under warranty... or if your oil pressure sensor is malfunctioning after the installation of an intake that sensor will still replaced without question. But I think people need to realize that they are running the risk of voiding part of their warranty for a gain of 5hp... doesn't seem worth it IMO


Modified by TRE_ at 9:17 PM 11/25/2006

 

if your getting a CAI and dont want to cut the pipe to put a By-Pass-Valve on just get a hydroshield from injen and you'll be all set (As long as you dont drive into a lake) My car cut out on me a couple times driving in the rain with the CAI installed and not having the Hydroshield on. I installed the hydroshield and have'nt had a problem since. (Drove through part of a hurricane with it installed and still no problems)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TRE_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm inferring that if you install an aftermarket intake and your mass air flow sensor fails because of it your warranty will not pay to have the MAF replaced. Also, if you suck water up into your motor and hydro-lock it because of the intake your motor will NOT be covered under warranty. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is why AEM is now using dry flow air filters now. The MAF was failing because people were over oiling the element when they cleaned it and the excess oil was accumulating on the sensor causing failure. The same could be said with K&N drop in replacement filters. As far as hydro locking engines go I Haven't seen any manufacturer honor a warranty claim with even the stock induction system.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TRE_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its perfectly legal to void a warranty if the aftermarket equipment installed caused any sort of malfunction/failure. The service department typically uses its own discretion according to the tech/manager as to if the car should be repaired under warranty.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Again the only entity that MAY have any authority to void a warranty is the manufacturer, certainly not a dealership. And then the dealership would have to inform their zone rep of the issue. A dealership has no authority to do so, only deny the warranty claim.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TRE_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with you that the part(s) must have caused/contributed to a failure/malfunction. Even then, the presence of any sort of aftermarket parts is reason enough to assume that the owner used the car for racing/competition... why else would they install such parts?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Assumptions are far from proof of racing, and using the after market parts as the basis to say that the owner was racing to void a warranty wouldn't stand a chance in court. But in the real world this is generally true.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TRE_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have any real world experience with warranty work? I deal with it on a daily basis and am pretty familiar with how every single process works. Sure you can install an intake and still retain much of your warranty .. IE if your window regulator fails, they'll still replace it under warranty... or if your oil pressure sensor is malfunctioning after the installation of an intake that sensor will still replaced without question. But I think people need to realize that they are running the risk of voiding part of their warranty for a gain of 5hp... doesn't seem worth it IMO </TD></TR></TABLE>

While I have never worked for a dealership, I have plenty of real world experience. As a consumer, and as legal council aid. I have had a few lemons, while non of them were Honda's, Federal Law remains the same.


The burden of proof is on the dealer to prove that part(s) caused or contributed to reason why a warranty claim was submitted. Sadly in the real world a vast majority of dealerships simply pop the hood see aftermarket parts and turn the customer away.

Not many consumers wish to risk the money that it may cost to ensure that their rights are upheld.