im asking which is the "better" cam for this particular motor

11:1 1.8L stock jdm itr

buddy club 4? m22xx? m22xx? or skunk2 ___?

 

Enter: personal preference.

 

A lot of it comes down to who is installing and tuning them. You also have to ask yourself, what details make one cam better then another, and for what purpose. What kind of driving, powerband and price fits your goals?

 

i want a smooth daily driver, strong midrange, and a killer in the top end

im pretty much have my heart set on m22x but im not sure how it will compare to the bc4

 

the jun 3's that the same vtak lobe as the bc4, but the bc4 has a larger and more aggressive non vtak lobe.

the m22x has a bigger vtec lob by a nut hair i think, but i not sure how the specs stack up on the non vtec lobe.

the m22xx has two of the same sized non vtec lobes were as the m22x has two different sized lobes to help induce a swirl effect

i want the m22x, but ill prolly just settle the jun3 copies and rm valve train, caus eim a poor college kid

 

im in the same boat deciding cams for my 12:1 comp ls/v. non daily driver though, so drivability insnt as important..

 

i put down 232 hp and 170 torque with the bc4's here's the link to my set up. u semi dailaid my car. perfect idle thanks to tod from churches for the tune. loved the torque i got of the bc4's.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1711234

 

how do the bc4 specs compare to the m22x?

 

Me personally would do like m22x or pro 1s

 

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Seriously, how many times have I explained this to you and how much time have I invested in pm's with you concerning this same subject??

 

the pro series seems like a hit or miss camshaft to me. the guys who degree their motor and build it themelves, measuring every detail are the only ones who make power, and the uys who throw them on top of a stock set up make none.

i would put jun3s in it. type ITR JUN3 into the search. there are some gnarly dynos. that is what im using because the smaller non-btack lobe is appealing for 4000 cruising. and the huge Btack lobe is appealing for....everythign else i guess.

 

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tell me about it. mine made good power when degreed, but, it didn't want to idle. i had to sacrfice power for idle quality.

 

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Mine idle like stock. They wont just magically idle perfectly, you need to tune it and tinker with the throttle adjust nut. http://www.itrspec.com/Skunk2ProIdle.html

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11:1 1.8L stock jdm itr

buddy club 4? m22xx? m22xx? or skunk2 ___?</TD></TR></TABLE>

We have made great power with M22X cams on mild 1.8L's.

Example:

 

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Mine idle like stock. They wont just magically idle perfectly, you need to tune it and tinker with the throttle adjust nut. http://www.itrspec.com/Skunk2ProIdle.html

We have made great power with M22X cams on mild 1.8L's.

Example:
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stock ITR motors make 175ish whp, and you put m22x, and a DTR header on and make 35ish WHP give or take? thats pretty ******* gnarly. there are b20vtecs struggling with 205hp, but then again, they make 155tq...idunno just thinking out loud

 

why was a 2L header used? i think some power could be had with the right size header

 

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really, i thought i could tune it with my blackberry. what makes you think my motor isn't tuned? anyway, your right, pro1's idle like stock........ 60% like stock. tps, t/b srew, 23 degrees timing, 14.7-15.0/1 afr etc. for me, its not worth the headache. the most bothersome thing for me is the surging and psychotic nature at start up. they make power, but, i'd prefer a cam that idles 90% or so close to stock. just my opinion

 

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its not about how much power could be had, its about making due with what you have laying on the floor or in your closet at the present moment.

 

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Didn't say your motor isn't tuned. Just know that every build with Pro-1 or Pro-2's we have done go out with exact warmup and idle as stock.

If you would like some tips on getting Pro-1/2's to idle, feel free to PM me. Or read the article I linked. Did you mess with the allen adjust nut on the underside of the throttlebody?

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The costomer is now running an 85mm block. He knew what his future plans were and decided to purchase his parts accordingly

But yes, midrange power would have been greater with a proper 1.8L header.

 

i have a 11:1 gsr with skunk2 stage2s(NOT PRO SERIES)

there still on stock cam settings, car starts and idles perfect. i made 181 on a stock head, now i got a portflow head, and plan on re-dyno-ing and adjusting the cam gears some now

i was worried about the idle, but no problems at all!

 

I like the BuddyClub IV, Skunk2 Pro+1, or if you wanna get buck wild , the Skunk2 Pro+2.