ok guys here is something ive been wondering for a while. there are many many types of rims out there that i would love to buy and that would fit perfectly aside from the fact that they may have the wrong bolt circle. now i know a type r conversion is a viable and "better" option but is it wrong to assume that most wheels could be welded back up and redrilled to 4x100? for instance, i love bbs mesh and they are very hard to find in 4x100 sizes. would i be able to have them redrilled if i bought a set? thanks in advance.

 

Short answer: bad idea.

BBS makes 4X100 rims. Tire rack sells at least half a dozen of them. I have seen Honda's with 4X100 bbs meshies, hell, I have some on my car.

 

very bad idea.. can be done but not safe by any means... i have seen quite a few wheels come into the shop that way and have never seen one done the correct way

 

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BBS makes 4X100 rims. Tire rack sells at least half a dozen of them. I have seen Honda's with 4X100 bbs meshies, hell, I have some on my car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks i know all about their current offerings. i want bbs rs 3pc, period. not something that comes along in 4x100 very often and can be very expensive when they do.

 

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thanks i know all about their current offerings. i want bbs rs 3pc, period. not something that comes along in 4x100 very often and can be very expensive when they do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's going to be difficult to get the new lug holes centered perfectly. Just forget about it.

 

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Here's something I've learned over the years: If doing something sounds like a really bad idea, and other people are telling you it's a really bad idea, you can save yourself a lot of time and money and aggravation by just not doing it. Or, you can do it anyway, and regret it later. Your choice.

 

thanks for the help guys. i guess ill just have to keep searching for the perfect set.
all the good wheels are discontinued, in my opinion. i cant help it im an old school nut!!!

 

Here's a hint. Old VWs and old old BMWs are all 4X100, different bore size but still 4X100. Try looking on those boards for your dream rims.

 

i dont agree with this i am a machinest and it can be done easy and safe we had contemplated doing this to some audi wheels if it is all ready a 4 lug then its not a terrible idea if you know someone who knows what they are doing you need a good welder and a decent machinest anyone who knows how to find the center of a part go 50mm in one direction and can index a degree table 90 degrees and drill 4 holes on a verticle mill can make this happen with ease

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sic944t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont agree with this i am a machinest and it can be done easy and safe we had contemplated doing this to some audi wheels if it is all ready a 4 lug then its not a terrible idea if you know someone who knows what they are doing you need a good welder and a decent machinest anyone who knows how to find the center of a part go 50mm in one direction and can index a degree table 90 degrees and drill 4 holes on a verticle mill can make this happen with ease </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmm... Somehow, I have to believe that someone who really is a machinist (a) would know how to punctuate sentences instead of running them all together, and (b) would know how to spell the word "machinist".

And, while I am not a machinist, it strains credulity to claim that re-drilled wheels are as strong and safe as wheels that haven't been re-drilled, or to claim that it is impossible to re-drill them ever so slightly off center.

 

http://www.thewheelsmith.net/w....html

one time i had 4x114 bbs rims 8 holed(redrilled) to 4x100 using a machine similar to this one above and never had balance problems. the machinist made sure that the rear of the hub was solid, the rims were true and then performed the task. when i go them back, the wheels were just like if they came right out the factory. nice countersunk holes and everything.

what i did afterwards was have some custom hubcentric rings pressed in and mounted wheels up.

the machine shop was also used by axis wheel company to custom drill wheels for their customers

i did not roll on these rims for very long because soon after i installed them, i sold the whole car including the rims.

please do not take this as me referring the service to anyone.

i am simply just sharing one of my experiences w/ 'redrilled' wheels.

 

yah mrrlx was kind enough to shed some more light on the subject for me via pm. also about the old vw and bmw comment, there werent very many models of bmw or vw that came in 4x100 so thats the problem. and even when they do, very few have nice wheels or wheels in the proper size.

 

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Hmmm... Somehow, I have to believe that someone who really is a machinist (a) would know how to punctuate sentences instead of running them all together, and (b) would know how to spell the word "machinist".

And, while I am not a machinist, it strains credulity to claim that re-drilled wheels are as strong and safe as wheels that haven't been re-drilled, or to claim that it is impossible to re-drill them ever so slightly off center.
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flaming is so good i love this place
working with metal has never been associated and spelling and grammar
i never claimed it was as good as a stock wheel i never said
hey buddy drill some ******* holes and go compete in the scca run offs !
my entire point was simply that it can be done in a fairly safe sucessful manor
i never said it was impossible to get them off center i merely said any decent machinest can find the center of a part
if you put 100 stock wheels on a trueing stand of some sort im sure you will fine 50 or so run a little out of spec if this guy wanted to go 200 miles per hour or pull 2 G's in a corner then i think he would have the sense to buy a wheel capable of handling such conditions
im sure he likes the looks of old mesh wheels and wants to cheaply adapt a 114 wheel to fit a honda or something of that nature and i was just provideing him with a little feedback
because i feel completely confident in the therory that a wheel could be welded and redrilled by a compitent person and it would run fairly true and perform safely on a daily basis

please feel free to further spell check this im sure it makes you feel intelectually superior

 

What he says:

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What he means, if you ignore all the insults and read what he says about re-drilling:

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im not sure what you are saying but im going with
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i feel completely confident in the therory that a wheel could be welded and redrilled by a compitent person and it would run fairly true and perform safely on a daily basis

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And, while I am not a machinist, it strains credulity to claim that re-drilled wheels are as strong and safe as wheels that haven't been re-drilled, or to claim that it is impossible to re-drill them ever so slightly off center.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Now I'm SURE you're not a machinist...

 

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And, while I am not a machinist, it strains credulity to claim that re-drilled wheels are as strong and safe as wheels that haven't been re-drilled,
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Yes, this is why we let the engineers of the world decide what structural modifications are safe and which ones are not.


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i feel completely confident in the therory that a wheel could be welded and redrilled by a compitent person and it would run fairly true and perform safely on a daily basis

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Again, that is the job of an engineer to make such a determination.

Don't get me wrong, professionally trained machinists have a lot to offer to the design world, however, such aforementioned determinations should not be made by machinists.

So again;
short answer: bad idea
long answer: bad idea

Cheers.

 

hmmm ok well im not gonna argue this to death but the simple process of redrilling a hole is not that intense of an engineering concept
and the personal testomony of

mrrlx

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one time i had 4x114 bbs rims 8 holed(redrilled) to 4x100 using a machine similar to this one above and never had balance problems. the machinist made sure that the rear of the hub was solid, the rims were true and then performed the task. when i go them back, the wheels were just like if they came right out the factory. nice countersunk holes and everything.

what i did afterwards was have some custom hubcentric rings pressed in and mounted wheels up.

the machine shop was also used by axis wheel company to custom drill wheels for their customers

i did not roll on these rims for very long because soon after i installed them, i sold the whole car including the rims.

please do not take this as me referring the service to anyone.

i am simply just sharing one of my experiences w/ 'redrilled' wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i feel as if my point is justified

but its ok if the idea does not appeal to you then dont do it
some one once said people cant fly ............