Whats up guys, just bought a DA Teg with a B16A/PR3 ECU. I just ordered motor mounts and next week I am gonna get the exhaust system re-done and new headers as well. I was wondering what I need to do to make this car (Naturally Aspirated) a low-mid 14 second car at the track? I don't want any forced induction so please don't suggest that, I already have a turbo'd car. I have built a couple non-vtec civic's and crx's and am not claiming I am an expert, but I know how to work on hondas. So I was thinking and from suggestion, Skunk2 Intake Manifold, 310cc Injectors, Type-R(B16) Camshafts, Exhaust, Header, Intake, and HondataS200 was suggested to me as well. Do you guys think this will breed a 14 sec car for me? Oh and suspension is going to be completely re-done all at once, shocks, springs, sway bars, etc.

 

Honestly, don't know.

But don't forget to include some good sticky tires and suspension setup.

Ali

 

what are type r b16 camshafts? i think you mean b16b CTR or b18c5/jdmb18c ITR cams, which in that case just pick up the CTR intake cam. i would recommend gutting the car as torque to weight is your biggest issue in a DA w/ a b16....its nice you have aspirations but being a good driver is not something you can buy and bolt on. gut the car and track it as it is, then go from there....

 

B16B Camshafts (Civic Type-R), the car is not able to run at a track properly, suspension is my main project right now. I have already started gutting the car...so what I am curiouse about is what you guys know will work. For instance can I swap the Type R Camshafts into my B16 without having to do anything else?

 

doubt you will need bigger injectors to make a 14sec car

also ditch the junk2 manifold...it's not designed to make best power on a mostly stock motor

custom header like smsp, cams, and tuning with hondata should get you there

 

yes you can put the type r cams in without modifying the valvetrain

 

What about exhaust piping? What size pipe should I run to the exhaust. I have run Magnaflow and Sebring Mufflers on all of my cars. Pipe size is important if your trying to get consistant pull.

 

Atleast match your collector size on your header, so probably a 2.5 or 2.36 depending on the header. Just don't create any bottlenecks.

Ali

 

Could you guys post up some links or pics to headers that be best for my situation? Thanks for being really helpful too.

 

you forgot 1 important thing, a good clutch and flywheel. if i were u i would do this.

Act clutch and flywheel
Rmf, smsp etc. header
custom exhaust(2.5)
Es tuning muffler, test pipe
any short ram intake
Skunk 2 cams
edelbrock IM
bigger injectors
gut your hard
drag radials
good driver.........14 sec for shure

 

woops, meant gut your car not hard

 

are you planning to be smog and street legal as well? if not, go take out the cat and the resonator and do a straight scub. no more exhaust at the end, it pretty much is an open header that ends somewhere in the middle where the resonator is. you could use the resonator as well. just an idea.

 

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i fail to see how this would help...

 

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i fail to see how this would help...</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree if anything you would lose more torque and thats something a b16 can't sacrifice. you need some back pressure.

 

NOS

 

I would upgrade the valvletrain and throw is some bigger cams such as some skunk2 stage 2's

as for the rest, a good intake, decently sized throttle body, a nice header with decently sized piping should get you into the 14's with a good launch on street tires

and lots of tuning to squeeze ever bit of power out that the motor has

 

Sell the b16a out of it and get a gsr engine. There is your 14sec. car

 

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Or just buy a gsr block (poor mans type r) and type r cams and you got yourself a ghetto type r motor

 

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and lots of tuning to squeeze ever bit of power out that the motor has </TD></TR></TABLE>

yep this man is correct. Tuning is essential...just throwing on parts w/o tuning is plain out stupid

 

I know this much. I am doing, Intake, Header, Exhaust 2.5" with a high-flow cat & resonator, Civic-Type R Cams, MSD Plug Wires, RTR cap & External Ignition (coil) setup, and Hondata S200. Hopefully that will get me into the 14's, also do you guys think this is a decent suspension setup?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1Suspension
Sway bars and rear struts will come after.

Oh, one other thing..the short shifter that is in the car rubs all over the exhaust, does anyone know where I can get a REAL short shifter for the DA at a decent price?



Modified by MaXXuS at 5:02 PM 11/20/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MaXXuS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know this much. I am doing, Intake, Header, Exhaust 2.5" with a high-flow cat & resonator, Civic-Type R Cams, MSD Plug Wires, RTR cap & External Ignition (coil) setup, and Hondata S200. Hopefully that will get me into the 14's, also do you guys think this is a decent suspension setup?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1Suspension
Sway bars and rear struts will come after.

Oh, one other thing..the short shifter that is in the car rubs all over the exhaust, does anyone know where I can get a REAL short shifter for the DA at a decent price?

Modified by MaXXuS at 5:02 PM 11/20/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

That suspension setup is okay for every day use and if your not too hardocore of a tracker... if you get a good tune with the s200 andyou get decent 60 foots without missing a gear you should run in the 14's

The sponser on HT have some good short shifters...

 

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i agree if anything you would lose more torque and thats something a b16 can't sacrifice. you need some back pressure. </TD></TR></TABLE>

you do not need back pressure!

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Modified by MaXXuS at 5:02 PM 11/20/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

you dont need any of that ignition crap. oem wires, cap and coil will do the job fine.

 

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you dont need any of that ignition crap. oem wires, cap and coil will do the job fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not true, the car runs much stronger all around. I know from experience, and no I don't think it adds 10+ HP, it just helps the motor run stronger and keep a more consistant power band.

 

You must address the head:

port & polish
bc 4 cams
new cam gears
new springs
new retainers
hondata im gasket
CTR pistons and rings
micorpolish crank
good header 4-2-1
CAI
a good dyno with the hondata

This would get you a low 14 car I believe.


Modified by kartman at 1:11 AM 11/21/2006

 

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Not true, the car runs much stronger all around. I know from experience, and no I don't think it adds 10+ HP, it just helps the motor run stronger and keep a more consistant power band.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can spend the money in so many other ways to gain power. Aftermarket ignition is really a waste of money in comparison.