alright, so my timing belt blew and im debating weather to get a d15b or a zc, there close to the same cost, how much more work does it take to put the zc in compared to the d15b? also if im turboing the engine in the future whats one is best for the turbo

what are the pro's and con's to the d15b and sohc zc?





Modified by stemiched at 11:08 AM 11/14/2006

 

Presuming you mean SOHC zc vs d15b I'd just go with the D because they're nearly the same engine, and ZC parts are hell to find. You'll have a much easier time sourcing aftermarket parts and replacements for the D than a ZC.

Just my 2 cents.

 

yea i mean sohc zc, and i was thinking of doing that because it bolts right on, now i get told the d15b option, and thats only, what one extra wire right? will my wire harness hook right up to it, and will i be able to use the p08 ecu? both the d15b and zc are basically the same motor just the d15b has vtec

 

if you're gonna turbo...... theyre both gonna be about the same.


buy whatever is cheaper.

 

there only 50$ differance, and w/e ecu and wires i would need, is the 10 more hp and vtec worth it for the d15b

 

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well, the ecu will cost at least another $100, plus wiring.

buy the sohc zc, drop it in, and boost it.

 

i told you to get the sohc zc last night since it's obd0 and stuff but if you want to get the d15b you need the obd1 conversion stuff, plus im selling my p08 if you are buying the d15b.

 

although obd-1 has better tuning options.


i would just buy the ZC, and still convert to obd-1, then boost.

 

what does it take to convert to obd-1? and am i going to have issues getting aftermarket parts for either of these motors? is it going to be better to just get a junk yard 16v head?

 

Ok here's the deal.

D15b obd1 so need a conversion harness and the right dizzy and ecu or a vtec controller to engage vtec. it's 1.5L and has about 125hp

zc is the same thing as your a6 with a better cam so very very easy to find parts just buy anything that would be for an a6. it is obd0 so no wiring change no ecu change its as basic of a swap as you can do. it is 1.6L and has about 120hp.

more displacement equals more torque. you will need to rev the d15 more to achieve the same power. if having vtec and seeing it on the vavle cover is more important and you don't mind paying a bit more for more tuning options go d15b

The zc has great midrange so it's good for a dd and to get around town. turbo tuning options are not as good but still decent. it's an easier install and should make good power and torque with a turbo kit. overall it should be a little quicker then a d15b stock for stock no tuning or upgrades.

 

okay cool, so from what your saying, it seams to be a lot better and easier to do zc. the aftermarket parts are the same as the d16 so i wont have issues finding aftermarket parts. and i can run a pm6 ecu? or even pm5 ecu if i put my dpfi on untill i can do a full mpfi swap? i prefer to not do all that conversion harness crap, i want simple, little hassle, but still be able to modify in the future.

i dont care about seeing vtec on the valve cover, im not rice, i just want easy, little hasle.
would it be cheaper and just as good for me to get a 16valve head in a junk yard? or does the zc have more potential, or may i have bottom end damage from the timing belt?

 

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sohc ZC is very similar to the D16a6. aftermarket parts will be simple to find.

yes, you can run the MPFI PM6 if you are converted already.

yes, you can run the DPFI PM5 if you are still DPFI.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JustAnotherRex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Presuming you mean SOHC zc vs d15b I'd just go with the D because they're nearly the same engine, and ZC parts are hell to find. You'll have a much easier time sourcing aftermarket parts and replacements for the D than a ZC.

Just my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your gay....sohc zc is same thing as d16a6.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stemiched &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay cool, so from what your saying, it seams to be a lot better and easier to do zc. the aftermarket parts are the same as the d16 so i wont have issues finding aftermarket parts. and i can run a pm6 ecu? or even pm5 ecu if i put my dpfi on untill i can do a full mpfi swap? i prefer to not do all that conversion harness crap, i want simple, little hassle, but still be able to modify in the future.

i dont care about seeing vtec on the valve cover, im not rice, i just want easy, little hasle.
would it be cheaper and just as good for me to get a 16valve head in a junk yard? or does the zc have more potential, or may i have bottom end damage from the timing belt?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The zc and a6 are the same aside from the cam so they have about the same amount of potential. they have great aftermarket support and are very cheap to work on a get parts for. I have been running a sohc zc on my stock pm6 for 2 years without a single code or issue. If you don't want to mess with wiring and like simple things, i'd buy a new engine. it will be cheaper if you do a head swap yourself but you would need a head, head gasket, head studs and a new gasket for both intake and exhaust manis. That being said usually when a timing belt snaps it just bends some valves but there may be some piston to vavle contact and that may damage a piston. If it was me I'd just drop in a zc and be done with it

 

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The zc and a6 are the same aside from the cam so they have about the same amount of potential. they have great aftermarket support and are very cheap to work on a get parts for. I have been running a sohc zc on my stock pm6 for 2 years without a single code or issue. If you don't want to mess with wiring and like simple things, i'd buy a new engine. it will be cheaper if you do a head swap yourself but you would need a head, head gasket, head studs and a new gasket for both intake and exhaust manis. That being said usually when a timing belt snaps it just bends some valves but there may be some piston to vavle contact and that may damage a piston. If it was me I'd just drop in a zc and be done with it </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

I guess why spend money on something new when you can rebuild what you have. That is just my opinion though.

 

newer = better? and probably cheaper with less miles, more reliable?

 

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takes more time and this guy said it best
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iphatcrxi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">newer = better? and probably cheaper with less miles, more reliable?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have decided to go with the zc, put in a new timing belt, water pump, gaskets, and it should be much more reliable then mine

 

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i have decided to go with the zc, put in a new timing belt, water pump, gaskets, and it should be much more reliable then mine</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

im new hear but not to hondas

isnt the sohc zc a 1.6 so pretty much like a a6, as for a turbo if you want you could do a homemadeturbo.com set up type of thing

i like the d15b vtec would of put one those in my car but... i got a b16

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fortunesk89 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im new hear but not to hondas

isnt the sohc zc a 1.6 so pretty much like a a6, as for a turbo if you want you could do a homemadeturbo.com set up type of thing

i like the d15b vtec would of put one those in my car but... i got a b16 </TD></TR></TABLE>


great first post.

1) mispelled word.
2) basically re-typed what was already posted in the thread.
3) telling him to homemadeturbo, really isnt any better advice than is what is already here.
4) oh, and bragging about a gutless B16.

lame ***.

 

well for those who want to know, i have decided to go with the zc, do the mpfi while were working on it, i may also get the zc tranny, not yet sure about that.

 

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great first post.

1) mispelled word.
2) basically re-typed what was already posted in the thread.
3) telling him to homemadeturbo, really isnt any better advice than is what is already here.
4) oh, and bragging about a gutless B16.

lame ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You are a bowl of sunshine happyness and candy coated rasins.

 

Go for the D15B.

Batter milage,
Batter power,
Vtec,

Its batter is every way,

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by salman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go for the D15B.

Batter milage,
Batter power,
Vtec,

Its batter is every way, </TD></TR></TABLE>
Drools...mmmmmmm batter