made a post a while ago about this, but it didnt generate much response, and i cant find it to bring it back so hear we go


im gonna be picking up a second R shell soon, and totally building it up


one of the things im real interested in is these calipers
they look really nice, and very inexpensive
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs...97_-1

im not to sure on the sizes which one whould i go with?

im gonna be running 16'' volk te37's and no bigger
what rotors are the best for this size wheel
i know its not always best to have a huge rotor, but its nice to have a thick rotor

im assuming all i whould need after these calipers is the correct rotors, and custom brackets?

then some nice pads, and SS braklines


im gonna start to do a LITTLE tracking with this one, not much, like expo and maybe one or two events a year, its more gonna be a fun street car, i know you guys are probally gonna say these are overkill and itr brakes are more then enough

but i figure if im building it totally from the ground up, i only want to do it once, so ima do it all out right the first time(built motor/trans, full susp etc)


thanks for any and all info


o and yes iv looked at other all ready put together kits, but this seems like it gonna be a good bit cheaper to do

 

or what do you think about this
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs...83_-1

it says it has it for a 5 lug rsx, same bolt pattern as itr
do you think it whould affect wheel offset
or anything like that


they also have these master cylinders
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs...97_-1

since im goin to be buying a shell and building it, it probally wont have one in the first place, whould this be overkill to use, or whould i be better off just goin with oem?

 

I plan on getting the 12.2" brake kit for my vx hatch with gsr brakes. I'm not sure if you'd be interested, but the team dynamics pro race 1 is the ONLY 15" wheel that has enough clearance for the 12.2 kit.

fastbrakes.com also has a good selection.

 

i too was tempted to get Wilwoods until i spoke to a few very reputable sources (semi-pro racers) who advised me against it. their common experience was that either the calipers themselves or the brackets flexed considerably under load, negating any real benefit over stock(ish) 11" brake setups with similar pads. i'd love to shed the unsprung weight of the stock setup, but i can't afford Alcon, AP racing, StopTech, or Tarox brakes. you might look into KVR Pythons, but i'd steer clear of Wilwoods.

 

im not gonna be racing it that hard to make anything flex like that, so im not to worried about that, and its not goin to be a dedicated race car so im really not gonna get a set of alcons or ap racing thats way to much for me

 

you sure you want coilovers? why not just stick to HID's?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slofu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you might look into KVR Pythons, but i'd steer clear of Wilwoods. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The KVR pythons are a good caliper, and they are a direct bolt on (no bracket), however, KVR discontinued them and now sells an AP racing kit. That being said, they were offering a considerable discount on thier AP racing kit if you trade in your old pythons, but I am not sure if they are still doing that. Back in march they offered me one of thier first prototype kits, but I didnt take them up on it due to "issues" with the R.

 

Does the AP kit fit under the stock rims?

A link would be nice to for us lazy bastidges.
(not completely lazy since I'm at work on the weekend, but I think you'd get the "jist" of it).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does the AP kit fit under the stock rims?

A link would be nice to for us lazy bastidges.
(not completely lazy since I'm at work on the weekend, but I think you'd get the "jist" of it). </TD></TR></TABLE>


Here is a link to thier website: http://www.kvrperformance.com/shop/

The AP racing kit they sell is about $2,700. The price is infalted because it comes with thier oversize 2 piece rotors, which cost around $700.THey dont have the epcs listed on thier site, but I have them laying around somewhere. Once I find them I will post them up. I know there are other rotors you can use with the kit (ya know, ones that DONT cost $700), I just cant think of it off the top of my head.

As for fitting under the stock wheel, I dont believe it does, but I will confirm that later on. The KVR Python kit DOES fit under the OEM wheel, and use to sell for new at around $750 for the set.

Anyway, Ed, if you really want some different calipers just goto autozone and pick up some rebuilt NSX calipers for $56 a piece.

To the OP:

Beware of SS brake lines. IF you get them, get ones with a silicone sheath over them. If they arent coated in silicone, the braids of SS can trap foreign material/debris and cause premature failure.

 

Thanks Brad, I'm working on the suspension first.

Might go with the Sp00nies again, ... eventually.

 

i rock the NSX/Legend GS calipers just for the extra heat dissipation of the 28mm thick 11" rotors. i pay the weight penalty, of course, but my brakes don't fade. the stock 23mm X 11" itr setup is good, as is the S2K/VTEC lude/Accord v6 wagon setup with 25mm X 11" rotors (aka Mugen Active Gate).

for better modulation (15/16" mc with 4040 prop valve) i also use the rear 10" RSX rotors and calipers, although to retain use of the e-brake you have to mount them on the wrong sides, so that the bleeders point downward. you can, however, just plug the stock holes and drill and tap for new ones which point upward. i currently run axxis ultimate rear pads and cobalt gt-s front pads, with some cheapo valvoline synthetic fluid. my car is ~2600+ lbs and slow, and i'm not the best driver, but my brakes do their job to slow me quickly from 110-65mph on azenis 615s on the straight at the track lap after lap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01-0720 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not gonna be racing it that hard to make anything flex like that, so im not to worried about that, and its not goin to be a dedicated race car so im really not gonna get a set of alcons or ap racing thats way to much for me</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you answered your own question - just stick with OEM and some good pads

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slofu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i rock the NSX/Legend GS calipers just for the extra heat dissipation of the 28mm thick 11" rotors. i pay the weight penalty, of course, but my brakes don't fade. the stock 23mm X 11" itr setup is good, as is the S2K/VTEC lude/Accord v6 wagon setup with 25mm X 11" rotors (aka Mugen Active Gate). </TD></TR></TABLE>

For a cheap upgrade for better heat dissipation and prevention of "hot-spots," this is an excellent upgrade. You can get OEM NSX calipers that are freshly rebuilt to "OE-spec" for $56 from autozone, advanced auto, NAPA, etc.. it doesnt matter where you go, they all have the same distributor. For some reason though, they only ever tend to have 1 available, and you tend to wait a while for the other side caliper (2-6weeks). But it is cheap, and it IS effective.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TPB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think you answered your own question - just stick with OEM and some good pads</TD></TR></TABLE>

Some good pads make a world of difference, and it suitable for most people. I would recommend to the OP either good pads + autozone rotors or brembo blanks, or the NSX caliper/Legend GS rotor upgrade. It would suit his needs, and save him some serious cash.

 

just get endless pads or project mu pads, stainless steel brake lines (one of the most vital upgrades), and brembo rotors and your mint for stopping, you already have type-r 5 lug setup, which is better than my damned gsr setup

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EndlessDc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just get endless pads or project mu pads, stainless steel brake lines (one of the most vital upgrades), and brembo rotors and your mint for stopping, you already have type-r 5 lug setup, which is better than my damned gsr setup</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you really sure about that? Not trying to be snide with my remarks here, but Endless and Mu pads are amongst some of the most expensive on the market while there are arguably better offerings stateside from Cobalt for example.

Brembo rotors are not necessary as explained in this thread and others already.

Nor are SS lines a vital upgrade either. I would think a stock ITR setup with slightly more aggressive pads and better fluid will suffice for many if not most ITR owners on this board.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nor are SS lines a vital upgrade either. I would think a stock ITR setup with slightly more aggressive pads and better fluid will suffice for many if not most ITR owners on this board. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats kind of the point I have been trying to get at, but also trying to show the OP affordable upgrade options if he is dead-set on changing calipers. Personally, I think SS lines without a silicone coating are a downgrade rather than an upgrade.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mythias &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats kind of the point I have been trying to get at, but also trying to show the OP affordable upgrade options if he is dead-set on changing calipers. Personally, I think SS lines without a silicone coating are a downgrade rather than an upgrade. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just bought a set of EARLS SS lines, are they coated?

 

unless they changed it up recently, the Earl's that I bought a few years back have no silicone jackets.

I like Technafit for their pricing and construction.

http://www.raceshopper.com/tec...shtml

where I bought mine, plus the clutch line as well. The Free shipping offer never really ends.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uNF$@#! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you sure you want coilovers? why not just stick to HID's?</TD></TR></TABLE>
got that covered, iv got a oem jdm itr hid front end conversion

and thanks to everybody for there opinions and information
iv got alot to think of