******EDIT**** JDM 96 ITR vs. SI-R Knuckles ********EDIT*********

Alright well ive been very indecisive lately and ive had a lot of things laying around hahah

so i purchased some SI-R knuckles complete with brakes and whatever with plans to do a bigger brake setup in front and just buying some DA trailing arms to do the rear

And then i ran across a JDM 96 ITR 4x114 swap with wheels and everything and bought it

I know there is the infamous question of what rotors to use and what pads blah blah but i got that covered and just changed the calipers up front and in the rear.

I was ready to just bolt everything on and leave it as is. But i did some research and i found out that the knuckles up front are different from the EX/SI-r ones and sincei had both i lined them up and yup they sure are different.

The dilema is that ive heard you can just bolt it all the integ components (knuckles and TA) and just have it aligned and things will be fine
- is there any big problems that will occur. I know ill need an alignment but should everything be fine?
And my second choice is to use the SI-R knuckles and swap out the hubs from 4x100 to 4x114
BUT!!! there is a tie rod problem with the SI-R knuckles and i would need to get a hold of those.

what should i do?

has anyone done the 4x114 correctly?

 

Well.....my thinking would be press out the ITR 4x114 hub, press out the Si-R, take to machine shop and have the ITR trimmed to the dimensions of the Si-R and work from there. Sort of how you do a proper 5 lug on the EF chassis.

http://technet.ff-squad.com/how-to/5lug.ef-da/

 

i thought DC knuckles dont work on EF's. anyone want to confirm?

youd have to do what the Dr. said and just use the hubs if you want the different wheel pattern. (is it 4x114? i thought it was 5 lug?)

 

I have also heard the same, the curviture of the knuckles is different.

 

the DC knuckles do not work on the EF...they are completely different but the thing is the 96 ITR 4x114 knuckles are identical to the DA knuckles...i guess that is the difference between doing a 5 lug conversion to a 4x114

and now im wondering since the 96 itr knuckles are the same as the DA people who are doing the 4x114 swap wont have to do the whole hub exhange?

correct me if im wrong anyone about using the DA knuckles on a crx

BUT the 96 ITR 4x114 ARE differenct from the 98 itr knuckles for 5 lug

....but since i was trying to do it the "RIGHT" way and used http://technet.ff-squad.com/how-to/5lug.ef-da/ as a reference i already had all my hubs pressed out and machined down So i am now going to use the SI-R knuckles instead of the 96 ITR...

But now i wanted to know if you guys knew anything about the TIE rod problem with the SI-r Knuckles and what should be done to have everything aligned properly.

 

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BUT the 96 ITR 4x114 ARE differenct from the 98 itr knuckles for 5 lug
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really? any reason how this came about? 96 ITR's had 4 lug? i thought they always had 5 lug.

is this strictly a JDM thing?


as for tie rods, yeah, there is some issue. but i think you can just cut the inner tie rod length and itll work or something like that.

 

Well if you say they are IDENTICAL to DA knuckles, then the knuckles will work since DA knuckles are ok. I have the DA knuckles in my CRX, but I used the 95-96 GSR braking hardware.


He is correct, the 96 ITR was 4-lug.

 

yeah i swore all ITR's were 5 lug haha but clearing things up US didnt have a ITR in 1996 and introduced the type R in 1998. And so yes it is truly a JDM thing and the 1996 type R came in a 4 x114.

But the brakes from the 91 SI-R, 96 ITR, and 98 ITR are the same and are still single piston and is a pretty big piston haha

so im now stuck with 4 ITR/SIR calipers, 2 rear 96 ITR calipers, 96 ITR knuckles (basically DA knuckles) without the hub, and raw DA trailing arms (raw as in no calipers, lines, or ebrakes cables)
sitting in my backyard...if anyone is interested i guess ill sell these parts

 

yea but the DA knuckles are different from the SI-r/EX knuckles...but i guess they work since it has been done.


what did you have to do with DA knuckles? alignment issues?

now i wish i didnt press out the hubs and machined down because then i would have used the DA knuckles instead of the Si-R knuckles because there is a tie rod problem and i now have to buy these "rare" tie rods and they arent cheap

 

Any info about what has to be done to the USDM tie rod to work properly with the SI-R knuckles???


i dont want to spend $200 + shipping for sir tie rods when i can just get something done to them.

 

interesting. didnt know there was a ITR in japan before world release, by a few years! and kind of interesting honda would raid the old parts bin too...

btw, what do you mean by Si-R?

id be interested in some Si-R knuckles myself...

theres a couple threads about SiR tie rod issues. you just gotta search. im too lazy right now. look under "tie rod" and "knuckles"

 

the CRX SI-R came with bigger brakes...pretty much they are the brakes type R's use hahah...
and what people have done is use the knuckles off a SI-R or the SI-R setup to get bigger brakes...

 

im just saying that was the JDM b16A version right?

 

yea jdm b16a

 

ok, only reason is ask is a bit OT because im trying to figure out which prop valves came in those cars. and its not 4040. it appears its either 2040 or 2030. ive also heard its 2525. this is the euro VT model tho (EE8), that is supposedly the same as the JDM SiR. anyway, bit OT. so i wont jack your thread. just needed clarification.

it having Type R sized brakes does add a bit of extra useful info tho.

do you know how much bigger type r/sir pistons (hahaha...) are compared to regular DC2 calipers?

 

no problem...haha im already OT with the Tie rods when i orginally was asking about knuckles

 

actually i dont know cause i never seen regular DC2 calipers off...

nor have i seen 98 ITR calipers

 

well since oyu have them laying around, can you humor me and measure it? i can then measure stock GSR pistons.

 

hahah no problem...but i wont be able to do so until later because im at school on my laptop

 

cool. hahaha

 

OT but noticed you were selling a 4040 propvalve...is it hard installing it on a crx? bending lines?

also i got a 15/16 MC...do i need a bigger brake booster?

 

all those prop valves are the same construction. no bending of lines.

just use a flarenut wrench. unless you like rounded off nuts you cant replace.

booster is just more power assist. up to you. paint to install i hear.

15/16 seems like its standard for the big brakes anyway. what do SiR hahahaha have?

 

haha i have no idea...i dont even know if i need it because then i would have to get one and then get it professionally installed...so ill probably just get everything done and see if i need a brake booster...what would it help with though if i did get a bigger one? stiffer pedal?

cool thing is my crx already had a 15/16 mc on it??? i guess my dad did it when he got the brakes changed.

 

btw, heres your thread for SiR hahaha knuckle and tie rod issues.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1380819

heres another.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1645073

seems like the concensus is that the SiR knuckle hahaha requires a shorter inner tie rod that you can replicate by cutting shorter and rethreading. but i gotta imagine SOME other car with a shorter tie rod out there could be used...

 

damn tie rod isssue