Hello all. Im creating this thread in hopes that I can more easily get help with the building of my car.

Ok now what i want is basically a Type R, however it seems like they are "all taken" and since i want to fully build it anyways i figured i might aswell get an integra RS (moonroofless ) and swap a Type R engine and tranny into it. Now i know this wont be a real R, obviously, but i dont care, it'll work for me. Anyways theres a couple of things im unsure about:

what engine should i work with?
USDM B18C5
98+ JDM B18C Type R
96 spec JDM B18C Type R

Im leaning towards the JDM B18C Type R. It seems like its more readily availible than the B18C5. I dont really know the differences between the JDM 96 spec and 98+. I belive the 98+ was machine polished vs the earlier 96 having being hand polished? Any of these engines will work, i was just wondering if theres any significant difference between them? Most likely ill just work with whatever i can get my hands on.

what transmission shall i work with?

USDM Type R tranny
JDM Type R tranny

Do they have the same gear relationships? I know they have different final drivesbut is that the only difference? Also which is geared shorter, the JDM ITR tranny?

What are the major significant differences between a Type R shell vs an Integra RS shell?

Just off the top of my head(stuff you cant change):

thicker window pillar
thicker roof stuff
thicker rear wheelhouse thing

Other than those things it seems like all the little bars and stuff can simply be purchased and bolted on. But are the engine bays the same?

How is the suspenion different on an R?

is it just the LCA's? Obviously different shocks/springs but those will be replaced anyways by a full coilover system. Im not worried about the sway bars n stuff cause they can be bolted on np.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cool night air &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hello all. Im creating this thread in hopes that I can more easily get help with the building of my car.

Ok now what i want is basically a Type R, however it seems like they are "all taken" and since i want to fully build it anyways i figured i might aswell get an integra RS (moonroofless ) and swap a Type R engine and tranny into it. Now i know this wont be a real R, obviously, but i dont care, it'll work for me. Anyways theres a couple of things im unsure about:
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Why don't you buy an R shell in the first place? An RS with 10k worth of OEM parts is not going to be worth as much as a rebuilt R.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cool night air &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What are the major significant differences between a Type R shell vs an Integra RS shell?

Just off the top of my head(stuff you cant change):

thicker window pillar
thicker roof stuff
thicker rear wheelhouse thing

Other than those things it seems like all the little bars and stuff can simply be purchased and bolted on. But are the engine bays the same?

How is the suspenion different on an R?

is it just the LCA's? Obviously different shocks/springs but those will be replaced anyways by a full coilover system. Im not worried about the sway bars n stuff cause they can be bolted on np.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Leo.C &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't you buy an R shell in the first place? </TD></TR></TABLE>

because they arn't so readily availible, wheareas RS's are somewhat more common.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cool night air &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because they arn't so readily availible, wheareas RS's are somewhat more common.
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You mean they aren't as cheap. You can find ITR's for sale all over, but most are going to be 2-3x that of an RS.

 

personally i'd buy a shell of a stolen recovered ITR and use that as a base. bring it back to life


all the bushes are a lot stiffer too, don't forget that and the windscreen is thinner on an ITR


EDIT - oh and i nearly forgot, depending what engine you want, depends on what fuel you can get i know you guys have really awful RON values in comparison to Europe and Japan, which is why our engines from the factory have higher compression

 

Why not just buy an Integra "converted to be a Type R" since you don't care that it is not real.

Or just buy a real ITR they aren't that expensive.


This is something I just dont understand why people will go to all this trouble and money to build a look alike. It'll never be real and the owner will not be satisfied.

 

wouldnt u want a USDM spec motor ? itll come with the catalyc converter wouldnt it and isnt a JDM spec a non cat. motor?

and ull need that cat. when u smog.. am i right?

 

JDM cars are fitted with cats, they're just shorter. and even if they didn't, you can still put one in your exhaust system

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97itypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wouldnt u want a USDM spec motor ? itll come with the catalyc converter wouldnt it and isnt a JDM spec a non cat. motor?

and ull need that cat. when u smog.. am i right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dude, come on...

 

Also keep in mind you will not be able to run Type R rear sway (or larger) on a non-R without some sub-frame reinforcement.

 

my input on this would be, just from reading your plans you are just trying to turn an RS into a stock type r.. if thats the case just spend the money and buy a type r.. save yourself alot of time and have the real thing.. but just by seeing your plans and looking for a full type r swap.. BUT... If you are tyring to build something that will out perform a stock R then i would say buy the RS and build a motor ground up. That just doesnt seem like what you are trying to do though so i would say just go buy a type r..

 

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dude, come on...</TD></TR></TABLE>


lol come on what?

sorry to say i never bought and swaped in a JDM motor . so yes my post was a clueless one

 

that's the point...dont post clueless and wrong information...

 

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and ull need that cat. when u smog.. am i right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Read more, post less maybe?

 

the weird thing about this thread is that i was just like the guy that created it... i in FACT own a 94 rs and was obviously thinking about the whole converting into R thing... i thought a lot about it and came to realize that it would take to much time and money... so i'm actually looking for a R right now since i'm just saving more money and going to pick up a real R.. converting a rs to an R is cool to me... you have more pride i suppose... but i would rather be rolling the real thing then a replica.. but do what you want.. its your time/money.. (either way its still a dc)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jetydosa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also keep in mind you will not be able to run Type R rear sway (or larger) on a non-R without some sub-frame reinforcement.

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PM user BSQ he can hook you up with one for a meager $20

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Variable-TEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the weird thing about this thread is that i was just like the guy that created it... i in FACT own a 94 rs and was obviously thinking about the whole converting into R thing... i thought a lot about it and came to realize that it would take to much time and money... so i'm actually looking for a R right now since i'm just saving more money and going to pick up a real R.. converting a rs to an R is cool to me... you have more pride i suppose... but i would rather be rolling the real thing then a replica.. but do what you want.. its your time/money.. (either way its still a dc) </TD></TR></TABLE>


up to you. either way its a dc!


PS. id go k20

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dcash13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my input on this would be, just from reading your plans you are just trying to turn an RS into a stock type r.. if thats the case just spend the money and buy a type r.. save yourself alot of time and have the real thing.. but just by seeing your plans and looking for a full type r swap.. BUT... If you are tyring to build something that will out perform a stock R then i would say buy the RS and build a motor ground up. That just doesnt seem like what you are trying to do though so i would say just go buy a type r.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, i wanna build it from the ground up. Not simply stock type R parts, im thinking of full toda valvetrain, spec C or similar cams, individual throttle bodies.

Whats kind of funny is im going from turbo to all motor. Right now i got a 98 GSR w/ Garrett T04E/T3 running at only 6psi. The car pulls pretty good but i dont even care about raw power. Theres too many better cars to work with if i cared soley about speed, but thats not what i want from my integra. I just want my integra to be pretty zippy n stuff. I like the idea of all motor because, imho the B18CR's are one of the greatest NA small engines.

heres a picture of me and my current car


Im most likely going to keep this car for the next good while, however im still thinking ill get an RS/Type R in the long run.

 

why dont you just get an RS and throw a k20a into it if you're looking to go n/a and just need it to be zippy and stuff.

trust me, you're going to get bored of the stock itr motor, i should know, im going k20a

 

that was my point.. if you plan to build th motor then i wouldnt spend the money on a type r motor.. either do the k20 swap or build a motor ground up.. but seriously why do you want it with such a nice teg already??.. why not just do what u want with the one you already have.. sell your boosted swap and throw a k20 in there..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cool night air &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Ok now what i want is basically a Type R
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This is basically a type R...

http://i11.photobucket.com/alb...7.jpg

Easy to find them for cheap... sometimes they just need some nuts and bolts. If you are as much of a car guy as you express you are then you'd be better off loving up on a real giRl

 

ive got a itr shell for sale, heres a picture

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...4.jpg

 

If you want to start off with an RS Shell and make an ITR clone..... here is the $$$ you will spend with NON-STOLEN parts.

98+Complete Change Over $5000.
DC2R 5lug conversion w/o wheels $1000
DC2R JDM Recaro's $1000
ITR Wheels $ 500
ITR Front strut bar and sway bars $ 150
ITR Rear Seat $ 150
ITR Cluster $ 150

That is about $8000 bucks worth of parts......not including the RS Shell...
You are better off waiting out and buying an ITR Shell. If that RS ever gets
crashed or stolen, Insurance company will give you $3500 bucks.

 

how much are itr shells going for? say with no motor or suspension or interuor, just a bar shell basiclly?

 

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First thing you need to do before worrying about what to do with cars is pull your friggin' pants up. Then buy a Type R.