This is not a question, but more of a word of warning/advice for anyone wanting to get the big, beefy rear sway bar put on their car. Please remember this will drastically change the way your car feels and handles, ESPECIALLY when it is pushed to the limits, and turn what would be a normal manuver for you normally into something much more, for lack of a better word, scary.

If you are just putting a sway bar on to be "cool", please rethink. If you plan to use it for autocross/other sanctioned races, then be sure to get to know how your car handles IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT before you get too carried away.

And if your wondering what prompted this post, it is because I just got home from driving my car for the first time with my ITR sway/ASR brace. Its a whole new car. In both good ways and bad. I will seriously have to rewire the way I drive now. Just a heads up for anybody planning to do this modification.

<---looking into some HPD classes at Hallet Raceway

 

hahaha ill think about this whenever i might buy a rear bar

 

Tell me more bout how your handong changed. Im planning on runninig a ASR brace and CTR rear sway. Either that or a GSR rear sway, but im afraind Ill want to go bigger........

 

remember that our cars come with a big sway bar up front, coupled with no sway bar, or a small sway bar in the back. (with the exception of the type Rs). They come from the factory that way because they are more stable that way. If you take a turn to fast, your car will understeer, meaning you are turning the car, and it is still going straight. This is easy to overcome, by simply turning the steering wheel back a little bit to get the car to start turning again, and all the while, your slowing down.

This is much easier to recover than oversteering, which is when the rear of your car starts to slide. When this happens, your first instinct will be to hit the brakes, which will only make things much worse, you will spin, and hopefully nothing is around when you do it.

A big sway bar in the back will make your car want to oversteer ALOT more. This is not a bad thing when you consider that oversteering is preferable to understeering in a race, but in everyday driving, caution must be used because it will make your car handle differently when pushed.

 

I drive a lot of twisty mountain roads, so I will be in more danger of losing controll right? BTW, Im 17, so I dont have that much experince. Also it rains a lot where I live, that will make it more dangerous right?

 

I ran just an ITR rear sway for a few months before I got a front. It oversteered quite a lot. In a way it was fun, but also dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

 

good info ill keep this in mind when i get my ITR sway/ ASR brace on

 

Even when I put my GSR (14mm) rear sway on, it was a new experience. Had to retool how I did my footwork, and when I gassed it in a corner.

 

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Yes, on all counts. On twisty roads, the biggest concern is coming around a bend and having to brake. If your driving normal, no big deal, but if you are messing around going faster than the speed limit, and have to hit the brakes for something (i.e. cop, animal, traffic, etc.), your toast. Once you hit the brakes, your car will lose balance and you will spin.

Inexperience and rain will all make things worse. I am not saying dont get the sway bar, just saying, dont take this mod lightly, as it can ruin your pants/day/car/life (in that order) if your not careful.

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I did the opposite, got a big front bar and added the big rear bar today. Still a huge difference.

 

With no front bar and the ASR brace with 32mm .120 thinckness rear my hatch feels great

 

look where you want to go(not at the trees) and get back on the throttle.

 

-good **** i just bought a itr sway with a asr brace. good heads up

 

you guys are making it hard to resist...getting a fat sway bar that is

 

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Yes, on all counts. On twisty roads, the biggest concern is coming around a bend and having to brake. If your driving normal, no big deal, but if you are messing around going faster than the speed limit, and have to hit the brakes for something (i.e. cop, animal, traffic, etc.), your toast. Once you hit the brakes, your car will lose balance and you will spin.

Inexperience and rain will all make things worse. I am not saying dont get the sway bar, just saying, dont take this mod lightly, as it can ruin your pants/day/car/life (in that order) if your not careful.
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Is this a joke? If you hit the brakes with any car around a turn while driving real fast your *** is done. I had a Suspension techniques rear sway, and stock front swaybar and all it did was make my car handle better. Gave it more of an equal skid instead of my *** end flying out. Dont drive like a idiot on public roads and you wont have to worry about an animal, cop, traffic and you wont ruin your pants/day/car/life. I hate **** heads like you that make a bad name for us. Learn how to drive... ON A TRACK!

 

gay.

 

my advice is..dont drive like a jack *** on curvey mountain roads.

and learn how to drive.

save it all for the track

 

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Haha, hardcore!

I think you're exaggerating the situation a little. I just went from no sway bars to 24mm ITR up front and ASR/23mm ITR out back. Car handles wonderfully now, much easier to tell what it's going to do, tracks through bumps better, and overall just feels great. Mine is more neutral now than it was, and while it does oversteer at the limit a little, you have to be driving like a retard to reach that on the street. And it's just common sense to drive slower in the rain.

 

Why did you get the swaybar in the first place if you didn't already know what it does?

"oversteering is preferable to understeering in a race" Neutral handling is preferable to both. I prefer some understeer in fact. And no car is either all understeer or all oversteer. A stock civic can oversteer. Handling balance changes as the circumstances change. Basically, how much speed you carry into the corner and when/where/how much brakes and throttle you apply. But none of this should matter to you on the route between the mall and your mom's house.

You don't know how many smashed up/flipped Civics I see in the junkyard with strut braces and cheap coilovers slammed too low. I can just envision the oversized rims and low profile tires. Put a JDM crazed teenager in the driver's seat of a riced out Civic and it's a recipe for disaster.

 

wow good to know, but how would only a front sway bar effect your handling?

 

a good idea would be to leave your car stock then you never have to worry about anything

 

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Is this a joke? If you hit the brakes with any car around a turn while driving real fast your *** is done. I had a Suspension techniques rear sway, and stock front swaybar and all it did was make my car handle better. Gave it more of an equal skid instead of my *** end flying out. Dont drive like a idiot on public roads and you wont have to worry about an animal, cop, traffic and you wont ruin your pants/day/car/life. I hate **** heads like you that make a bad name for us. Learn how to drive... ON A TRACK!</TD></TR></TABLE>

HEY! Asshat! Try reading what I was responding to before you start insulting me. He asked about mountain road driving, and I told him about it. I dont do that crap on the street. I dont even have any damn mountains anyway, retard. And if you read my first post, I was fully supporting learning about your cars limits ON A TRACK.

God, who the hell do you think you are?

 

Almost everyone and their moms want rear sway bars.
But I say it totally depends on ur driving style.
I have a coupe and I don't have a rear sway.

On the track, I don't even feel like I need one. I like understeer more than oversteer, cuz it feels safer. I guess I am a *****?

 

to OP, its only a sway bar buddy, when I put my 22mm rear bar on it felt better, but a warning is not necessary

 

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HEY! Asshat! Try reading what I was responding to before you start insulting me. He asked about mountain road driving, and I told him about it. I dont do that crap on the street. I dont even have any damn mountains anyway, retard. And if you read my first post, I was fully supporting learning about your cars limits ON A TRACK.

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If you are just putting a sway bar on to be "cool", please rethink. If you plan to use it for autocross/other sanctioned races, then be sure to get to know how your car handles IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT before you get too carried away.

And if your wondering what prompted this post, it is because I just got home from driving my car for the first time with my ITR sway/ASR brace. Its a whole new car. In both good ways and bad. I will seriously have to rewire the way I drive now. Just a heads up for anybody planning to do this modification.

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Ok, why would you have to rewire the way you drive on normal roads. How would you even know that your front end would slide so much and be scary. O YEAH probley because you were driving like a dumbass, almost wreaked your car and came here to post about it and warn ppl not to do what you just did.

I have personal experiance with a friend doing stupid crap and not coming out alive to tell about it. I hope you learned your lesson.

 

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Ok, why would you have to rewire the way you drive on normal roads. How would you even know that your front end would slide so much and be scary. O YEAH probley because you were driving like a dumbass, almost wreaked your car and came here to post about it and warn ppl not to do what you just did.

I have personal experiance with a friend doing stupid crap and not coming out alive to tell about it. I hope you learned your lesson.
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thats a great assumption retard, but I autocross my car. Thats how I know how it handles when pushed to the limits. I explore the limits of my car on the track twice a month. So STFU.