i have a 93 ex 4dr with a 95'JDM Z6 and a JDM 95'Si ecu
im thinking about swapping this for a JDM B18c1 w/ LSD
i already kno the prices on all the parts and every thing
needed to do the swap just wanted input on a na or supercharged build

the build:
YOWAI-SS Type-WP Venturi Carbon Intake
BLOX PERFORMANCE INTAKE MANIFOLD (B18C)
DC SPORTS 4-1 HEADER (94-99 INTEGRA GSR)
HKS Hipower Exhaust system HONDA Civic
VTEC High Performance Camshafts Stage 2
Spoon B-Series VTEC Cam Gears
Skunk2 B-Series VTEC Titanium Retainers
Supertech B-Series VTEC Dual Valve Spring Kit
Skunk2 B-Series VTEC Racing Valves
TODA B18C Timing Belt (Red)
Skunk2 Triple Ring Cam Seal
Spoon B-Series VTEC High Tension Plug Wires
ARP Head Studs B18C / B16B
Spoon B-Series VTEC Head Gasket
AEM Hi. Vol. Adj. FPR
AEM B-Series High Volume Fuel Rail
AEM Tru-Power Pulley Kit
Spoon B-Series Thermostat
Exedy B-Series Hydro Tranny Stage 1 Clutch Kit
Koyo Radiator 92-00 Civic SIR Radiator
samco hoses

opinions?



Modified by the omen at 10:42 AM 10/24/2006

 

whats the compretion on the pistons if you dont have really a 12.5 or higher i wouldnt even go stage 2 cams

 

go na and put some itr pistons in the gsr block. ditch the dc header and get a better header

 

AEM pulleys are useless, specially on the crank...no harmonic balancer
AEM fuel rail = useless for your setup, make 400 hp more and then you MAY need it
spoon wires = overkill, a good set of OEMs will do you better
spoon headgasket = 3x the price of a oem one, remove layers from the oem one if you want
spoon thermostat = give me a damn break
spoon cam gears = GET OFF SPOON'S NUTS MONEY CAN BE USED BETTER
samco hoses = wtf? use your stockers
you have 2 intake manifolds listed, S2 pro & Blox
toda t-belt = OVERKILL
use your stock rad or a full size stock integra one, althogh you won't need it

i think im done

 

k thanks on the opinons
keep em coming
as far as the spoon stuff goes is for show
im wanting to make this motor have as much show as go
i kno i can ditch the stuff for less and pick up the same if not more power for less $$$
and what # are the pistons
and will i need to beef up the bottom end for a n/a build?
would stage 1 cams be more appropriate for this build?


Modified by the omen at 11:00 AM 10/24/2006

 

done a little research
p73 ITR yields 11.1 compression
on a stock type r motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the omen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">done a little research
p73 ITR yields 11.1 compression
on a stock type r motor
</TD></TR></TABLE>
with USDM GSR/JDM GSR/USDM R pistons/JDM R pistons
for your setup:

with OEM HG
9.98/10.57/11.04/11.59

with 2 layer HG
10.14/10.76/11.24/11.81

with 1 layer HG
10.38/11.03/11.54/12.15

and how can a spoon t-stat give you show points, noone sees it

 

Just don't underestimate Honda and Acura OEM parts. The JDM ITR 4-1 Header is 10 times better then the DC, and the Type-r springs are just as good as any other. I would personaly go with an N/A tune. You've already got about 3K worth of stuff on your list right now so save the money and go N/A. I would go with the CTR pistons myself, but I like to live a little dangerous. Oh and another thing, if this car isn't going to be in any shows, then don't get all of the bling for the motor. If you do a good tune then you don't need the cam gears, the pullys, the fuel rail, the Spoon parts the Toda parts, you know stuff like that. Most people are just going to laugh anyways. REMEMBER: THE FASTEST RACERS OUT THERE ARE THE ONES WITH A LOT OF OEM PARTS, A PRIMERED CAR, AND A BITCH'N TUNE. and a turbo doesn't hurt either. HAHA

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. LS VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just don't underestimate Honda and Acura OEM parts. The JDM ITR 4-1 Header is 10 times better then the DC, and the Type-r springs are just as good as any other. I would personaly go with an N/A tune. You've already got about 3K worth of stuff on your list right now so save the money and go N/A. I would go with the CTR pistons myself, but I like to live a little dangerous. Oh and another thing, if this car isn't going to be in any shows, then don't get all of the bling for the motor. If you do a good tune then you don't need the cam gears, the pullys, the fuel rail, the Spoon parts the Toda parts, you know stuff like that. Most people are just going to laugh anyways. REMEMBER: THE FASTEST RACERS OUT THERE ARE THE ONES WITH A LOT OF OEM PARTS, A PRIMERED CAR, AND A BITCH'N TUNE. and a turbo doesn't hurt either. HAHA</TD></TR></TABLE>

with JDM B16B and 3/2/1 layer HG his CR would be:
13.09/13.38/13.83

i have NO clue if that would even work, or if he would be outta the hole, and with a quench-zoned head like the GSR, this would mean catastrophic failure, nevermind if the valves clear or not.

 

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You're a moron who wants to spend a lot of money on worthless parts.

 

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You're a moron who wants to spend a lot of money on worthless parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey hey now, im trying to convince him otherwise! if i have the chance bring someone else to our side, i'll try.

 

"im wanting to make this motor have as much show as go"

An SMSP header would be something to show yet it will go as well, I promise.

 

ive decided to N/A
what do you recommend for parts?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the omen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive decided to N/A</TD></TR></TABLE>

What were you going before? Nitrous?

 

super charged or turbo

 

Step 1: buy the motor
Step 2: install motor and drive for a while, see if it's enough to satisy you
Step 3: change little things over time, so you stay reliable, gain knowledge (hopefully), and so you know what actually makes a difference.
Step 4: let me know if this EVER happens

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the omen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a 93 ex 4dr with a 95'JDMZ6 and a JDM 95'Si ecu
im thinking about swapping this for a JDM B18c1 w/ LSD
i already kno the prices on all the parts and every thing
needed to do the swap just wanted input on a na or supercharged build

the build:
YOWAI-SS Type-WP Venturi Carbon Intake
BLOX PERFORMANCE INTAKE MANIFOLD (B18C)
DC SPORTS 4-1 HEADER (94-99 INTEGRA GSR)
HKS Hipower Exhaust system HONDA Civic
VTEC High Performance Camshafts Stage 2
Spoon B-Series VTEC Cam Gears
Skunk2 B-Series VTEC Titanium Retainers
Supertech B-Series VTEC Dual Valve Spring Kit
Skunk2 B-Series VTEC Racing Valves
TODA B18C Timing Belt (Red)
Skunk2 Triple Ring Cam Seal
Spoon B-Series VTEC High Tension Plug Wires
ARP Head Studs B18C / B16B
Spoon B-Series VTEC Head Gasket
AEM Hi. Vol. Adj. FPR
AEM B-Series High Volume Fuel Rail
AEM Tru-Power Pulley Kit
Spoon B-Series Thermostat
Exedy B-Series Hydro Tranny Stage 1 Clutch Kit
Koyo Radiator 92-00 Civic SIR Radiator
samco hoses

opinions?



Modified by the omen at 10:42 AM 10/24/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

not one not two not four, but THREE "jdms" in first sentence

&lt;xdeftonesx's brain goes into maximum over load&gt;

&lt;smoke coming from ears&gt;

&lt;OMFGJDMBBQWTFLOLMTV!!!!!!!????!?!?!!!&gt;

&lt;thud&gt;

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sleepy_Red_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

with JDM B16B and 3/2/1 layer HG his CR would be:
13.09/13.38/13.83

i have NO clue if that would even work, or if he would be outta the hole, and with a quench-zoned head like the GSR, this would mean catastrophic failure, nevermind if the valves clear or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stop being a puss, this is probably why you get beat by 300Zs.