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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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Default '96 Accord low-rpm surge

I have a '96 5 spd Accord with about 223k on it.

It still runs very good in general, but I've noticed a definate surge, mainly at low rpms (1000-2500)..more noticable with more load.

To me it doesn't seem like misfiring..the closest I can compare it to is an older carbed car that's cold. It sort of lightly surges through each gear, occasionally giving a pronounced buck. It's smooth at cruising speed.

I know it's not normal because when the engine is cold(open loop), it runs perfectly and very smoothly.

Something that might be related is I have a constant Check Engine light and the 2 codes that came up were for no power to the front and rear O2 sensors. I should have repaired that long ago but the car is dead reliable as it is, so...

Any ideas are appreciated...
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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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Default Re: '96 Accord low-rpm surge (TylerW)

Primary and secondary O2 sensor heaters are both dead? Maybe the voltage isn't getting to the heater elements because of a harness problem or blown fuse. Or, maybe they realy are dead. Anyway....

I experienced a similar surge on my old '90 Si. Slight buck/surge most noticeable at 25mph in 3rd gear at a steady throttle. No CEL though. In my case, the O2 sensor was slow and lazy. I replaced it with an OEM version after 2 generic types didn't work well. No problems after that.

A simple test you can try if you don't have access to a multimeter...
On a warm engine (closed loop), try to hold a steady 2200rpm in neutral. A slow and lazy sensor should cause the rpm to vary by 50 to 75 rpm or so. At least that's how mine acted.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 03:47 PM
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Default Re: '96 Accord low-rpm surge (Perfectionist)

Well the codes that are throwing are P0135 and P0141.

Doing some research, Civics around the year of mine had a problem chafing the harness through and blowing fuse 15. I'm not sure which fuse I should check on mine since it's an Accord...any ideas?

I recall reading a diagnosis on that exact problem that mentioned the "main relay" possibly being the cause...something about bad solder joints.

Thanks for the help....
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