I was just wondering why the H series are so unpopular? I would think that it being a 2.2L would make it the better choice for an all motor application.

It seems like the possibilities are endless with as many options you have to build a B series. But I dont hear much about the H series or see as many parts offered up either.

I mean Ive always loved the B series, but wouldnt an H be the better choice for raw N/A hp?

 

I suspect the answer you will get will come down to the H transmissions, as they do not come geared a close or as short as some of the B transmissions.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BryanPendleton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I suspect the answer you will get will come down to the H transmissions, as they do not come geared a close or as short as some of the B transmissions.</TD></TR></TABLE>

H2B

 

parts availability, harder to swap but the h2b helps that out alot...but the h2b is a lil pricey

 

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why? just think about all you are getting for a sec

1 adapter plate

2 mounting bracket for the half shaft

3 custom plate for the drivers side mount

4 custom spacer for flywheel with ARP bolts

along with a couple of other things

 

it seems as though h series don't seem to stay together as well as the b series, but then again it depends who's building it.

 

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why? just think about all you are getting for a sec

1 adapter plate

2 mounting bracket for the half shaft

3 custom plate for the drivers side mount

4 custom spacer for flywheel with ARP bolts

along with a couple of other things</TD></TR></TABLE>

& hrs. upon hrs. of R & D

I can honeslty say, Being a Huge fan of the H-series.

This was by far one of the most satisfying purchases I have ever made well worth every cent & every week waited

It sounds like I'm being paid by Quartersports to say that, right?

I am just that happy with the purchase


but sorry back to the topic at hand........................................

 

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the euro R tranny is pretty short geared..

 

im sorry, but whats an h2b????

 

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I think that what it basically comes down to is that, for a variety of reasons, mainly related to the size of the motor, the tax situation in Japan and the unpopularity of the original vehicle for the H22, that JDM tuners really did not do very much at all with the H22.

I think I remember seeing one JUN Prelude but nothing else from them.

The Japanese tuners, whether JUN, Skunk, Spoon or Mugen, are the trendsetters and the pathmakers, and they never did much with it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by romero4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im sorry, but whats an h2b????</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's an adapter designed to allow you to put a big H motor into a car that has a B motor hydro tranny.

 

man i wish i could do h2b on my lude....i'd be in heaven

one day i will get it to work, lol.

But yes, the gearing of the h22 trannies is one thing that is really a turnoff for many people who cant do the H2b swap. And there are only a couple different final drive that you can get for it, not to mention the use of cables is a big negative IMO.

Getting power out of them isnt hard, you just have to choose your parts right and you cant go cheap.

 

aftermarket support. end of story.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> trendsetters and the pathmakers</TD></TR></TABLE>

If there was support for the trannys and frm from the getgo the H-Series would be the engine of choice for trend-followers in my view. No. question. about. it.

I should learn to bite my tongue... but most Honda enthusiasts are lemmings who cant think for themselves - stuck in the b-series-is-the-only-way paradigm. Seeing posts about D and F series motors kicking *** makes my day - more so than hearing about H series motors pushing the limits.. because it really shouldnt surprise anyone.

An engine is an engine is an engine (well, to a point) when everything is said and done. Who wouldnt want a VTEC engine with a 91mm stroke and 87mm bore?


Modified by 2point2 at 11:25 AM 10/31/2006

 

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Most of the stuff is there its just alot harder to find. And isnt produced by every company. The problem i run into is when your looking for info HT seems to be the only place that has any knowledge all the shops around me know only about k and b series.

 

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thats because thats where the money is. Im not worried tho. The h22 will live strong once again. Just needs to have a few people jump onto it and really BUILD the motor in order to figure it out. RLZ did a great job on john's motor.

 

i think the h22 is a real good platform to work on.
n/a or turbo. besides the poor choice if factory parts
(intake manifold/headers) once you open it up to breath then i is a strong performer.
i dont see alot of 12.5:1 commpressoin stock bore/ stroke h22 running around.
maybe i give it a go
type s pistons and a milled head .020" should make a good 11.5:1 compression engine. add a f22 crank and aftermarket rods (compression jumps to 12.5:1)to start maybe we will see some records broken with stock heads,cams etc
h is a good engine. i think people are scared of it

 

if you cant afford h2b, you can always get some shorter gears put in, or even just a different final drive. there are a few companies that make them for the h22s, mfactory is one and they're on ht.. somewhere.......

 

well didnt honda make short gear trannies to compensate for the lack of tourque? so they must of designed the h22 with not as short of gears, b/c they didnt need it? could that be true?

 

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Really? I thought any 92+ lude could easily accept H's

 

not a b series tranny tho

 

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When you piece together a H2B swap it comes out to be around the same price as a GSR swap. A little more work but alot more rewarding IMHO.

 

Why does this **** always turn into a pissing contest

 

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I don't see that much wrong, as far as All Motor threads go.

 

From what Ive heard its because the sleeves are made of a composite material making the use of aftermarket pistons not an option. The block would have to be resleeved.