So a little bird is telling me the 42r will be banned from sport front on all "K" series
cars...I think this is a big load we were able to give the 42 a 66mm inducer..but
now there saying none at all when you spend a lot on a turbo who wants to spend a lot more for another....All these cars make about the same power its whos putting it down....are we going to start banning struts or should we just have a spec strut?

 

Sport FWD


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Jason

 

Screw the 42R's, run a GT47-80 and neck it down to 66mm

 

we were able to make the 42 follow those
guidlines..

 

It's ok for a b-series to run 158, but not the Ks...you can thank that rule on all of the crying on here. It should still be called the Mat Keller rule


Modified by XXXRacing at 12:36 AM 9/27/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XXXRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's ok for a b-series to run 158, but not the Ks...you can thank that rule on all of the crying on here. It shoudl still be called the Mat Keller rule </TD></TR></TABLE>

doesnt matter. highest mph doesnt win races.

 

So can you run it if you change the compressor wheel?

 

wow,finaly a break for the guys still playing with the b series or is it????????

 

Matt is no longer running that car
quick 16 the past races
so why the rumored change?

Big woop
There is a even better turbo the K's can use....."S"

 

i don't understand this rule, there was what 1 car with a K and a 42r and its banned.

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doesnt matter. highest mph doesnt win races.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i would say with a mph in the upper 150s theres a good chance you'll win a round or two

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XXXRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's ok for a b-series to run 158, but not the Ks...you can thank that rule on all of the crying on here. It should still be called the Mat Keller rule


Modified by XXXRacing at 12:36 AM 9/27/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it's obvious that it was the consistent 162+ and the 167mph pass that scared NHRA. It takes A LOT more power to run 167 than it does to run 158.

 

The limits are being reached on ETs, who cares about mph. Its not like the K car in question has that much ET over the B cars.

 

Ask Keller, that car still hadn't run near it's potential. When it's all said and done, NHRA made the rule to limit the potential the car had, not the et's it was running. The car can still be VERY competitive with the new rule in place, it just doesn't have the potential it used to.

 

from what i heard the 167mph was all it had... boost control malfunction or some such. hell i know of a guy that went 158-159mph with a b16 and a turbo thats much smaller than a 42r

 

Use the borg warner 66 mm on it...

 

42r or not
K series or not
im runnign it and if they banned i wont run our 3 races on the west coast ohh well
i like the rule for safety but as for fairness let them run what they want
i race cause its a hobby win or lose its all fun too me

 

Being that i am working with BrentL to build a k series sfwd car figured i would chime in.. i think the rule change is BS there is alot more to running 167 than the power or the fact that is a k series in my opinion.. correct me if im wrong the clutchmasters ET's aren't that much faster than what we saw out of b series cars last year and years before that.. ex. ferguson, hunt, ballard.. I think the slowing down of cars in racing makes no sence i race to go fast not be slowed down.. But i am also in favor of Ballards cobalt in sfwd hydromatic or not think it would make us honda guys have to step it up a bit.. my 2 cents

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ask Keller, that car still hadn't run near it's potential. When it's all said and done, NHRA made the rule to limit the potential the car had, not the et's it was running. The car can still be VERY competitive with the new rule in place, it just doesn't have the potential it used to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
agreed the car had only a hand full of passes, when the car would run a high 6.3 or 6.4 in the 1/8th it still went 9.55 if you dont think the cars back half had something to do with it. Then compare it to my old crx that went 6.20@ 122 in the 1/8th on a 9.53 pass.... if clutchmasters car was short timming to it's full potential, it probally would run a 9.2 or 9.1... mph dont win races but it sure shows ya what the e.t. is gonna be when you figure it out.... I still think those motors will make power even after the restriction.... they have such a broad power band with that variable cam .....
I would suggest 1000cc injectors for peak power though lol..... j/k

 

Let's just drop the turbo size rule, the ban on hydromatic, air to water intercoolers, tire size.. and let's see how many new guys you're going to get to jump on in on this class in the next coming season.

Next thing you know everyone's gonna want to do methanol, detachable wheelie bars, etc.

 

My opinion my not matter but I think this rule slows down the progression of the sport. I understand NHRA thinks this is a saftey issue, but like in life you have to take chances to progress, being to cautious actually can slow down progression and you dont go any further. I think there is enough saftey equipment in these cars to be fine runing 167mph

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PremierGT40R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My opinion my not matter but I think this rule slows down the progression of the sport. I understand NHRA thinks this is a saftey issue, but like in life you have to take chances to progress, being to cautious actually can slow down progression and you dont go any further. I think there is enough saftey equipment in these cars to be fine runing 167mph</TD></TR></TABLE>I dont see how it's gonna slow down progression, how do you know that set up is not capable of making big power with the turbo restriction? I mean lets face it sport fwd cars have been running over 148 for 3 years now and not that many crack 9's. I watch so many cars with more power than they can use spin down the track and have over inflated mph compared to e.t. I would be willing to bet keller goes to etown, and runs at least in the 9.60 range under 160, as he gets a handle on short time. In the mean time why does a car go need to 167 to see the sport progress, when it's not using till the back half... People might have to figure out ways to get the power they have currently to the ground on a small tire to progress.I personally think a properly built k or b series with a 158 to 160 trap could run in the 9.3 to 9.4 range , so why not worry about making changes to the whole package I dont think current power levels are the problem....I think power limits make people innovate and progress....

As far as a street car being safe going 167 I really beg to differ, I hit the wall at 140 in englishtown in 2004 in our civic coupe. I know that the cage in that car was well built and designed, I know the rest of the safety components were up to snuff. I was also lucky on how I hit the wall. But lets face it there is a huge difference between a street car that weighs 2400+ pounds at 170 mph between a purpose built hot rod car. I mean you have glass, and the extra weight around just multiplying the impact. Also not everyone out there puts as much time and money into there cage and safety equipment I have seen some straight ratty scarry cages in the street class whats gonna happen god forbid if something happens. Not to mention drivers credentials people are going that fast in short wheelbase cars that are heavy..... I think bad things could happen quickly if the to many of the wrong things add up....

I am sorry if the post came off a little bit harsh, I just have seen to many things happen at the track over the year at local test and tunes with imports getting faster, and even domestic cars running way to much power on production based platforms, and sometimes bad things happen. I am probaly over reacting I just think safety is the last thing a lot of people think of.

 

Rules to keep the classes competitive is what it takes for the sport to progress, i think that's plain as day. When 1 car is dominating it discourages people from building and competing, and the class gets smaller.

 

most cars are going 155+ with good drivers. I think it will be little hard for standard transmission sfwd car to hit low 9.4's with 25" tire.

Please dont take this the wrong way but what would brian's car run with 4spd?

 

Keller told me that car was on a .40 pass on one of those passes. I forget what happened. Like i said, NHRA is just limiting the potential that the car had, not limiting how fast it was running at the time. That car was going 127mph half track! If you think it wasn't going to go quicker than 9.55 or whatever it ran, you're crazy!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most cars are going 155+ with good drivers. I think it will be little hard for standard transmission sfwd car to hit low 9.4's with 25" tire.

Please dont take this the wrong way but what would brian's car run with 4spd?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Brians car out weighs the average sport fwd car by almost 500 pounds. it's not apples to apples comparing a auto to a manual transmision. I am not saying a manual transmision sport fwd cobalt is out of the question just not in the current plans. Regardless of platform, you take a 2400 pound car, a manual transmision, a 25 inch tire, 750 to 800 whp, and 9.5 should not be the limit. In 2002 nobody thought a fwd would run 9's with out wheelie bars......

My old crx went 9.53 on a 25 inch tire in 2004 with way less power and older turbo smaller turbo then what current sport fwd cars make. Granted the car weighed 2200 pounds. But if you ask Tony, Keller, or myself I totaly think a 9.4 is possible on a 24.5 or 25 inch tire, there are things people have not even tried to offset the smaller tire, at the current power and weight limits in the class.... When you guys figure it out that is called progress....

So no I did not take it the wrong way, I just think you guys did....