<FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="red">*Update, compression test numbers at the bottom & Added the rest of my setup</FONT></FONT>

Sorry for the crappy *** pic (all i got)



Setup:
B18C1
12:5:1 CR
JUN 3 Cams
Edelbrock victor X Intake manifold
RPM 70mm Throttle body
Endyn P&P head
Endyn Rollerwave pistons (weisco)
Eagle rods
Balanced rotating assembly
Endyn Valvetrain
Skunk 2 cam gears
DC JDM itr header w/2.5 collector
Itr Tranny Ats 4.929 FD
GSR 5th gear
RC 310 CC Injectors
Micropolished Crank
Integra GSR Fuel Pump
Ferrea stock sized valves

Out of like 12 pulls the car consistently pulled 182 whp..

Was tuned on Crome, but look how shitty the a/f were.. Also when VTEC engages it's not pulling or sounding awesome at all.. My VTEC crossover in my JDM GSR motor was louder and pulled harder then my built gsr.. Is this normal with jun 3 cams?

Please tell me my setup is good for 210+ whp.. With a good tuner




Modified by Jimmy at 6:50 PM 9/27/2006

 

Can't see the graph-very small.
Perhaps VTEC is not working at all...?

 

yea, maybe there's something wrong.

compression test?

 

if you could send the crome bin to:tuner@sonic.net maybe i could lend a hand

 

something is wrong, seems that the motor should put down more

 

might be going out on a limb here but what kinda fuel are you running?

 

I can't see that graph properly however if that is your A/F plot, I would shut that **** down and get it tuned properly before you motor ends up like baghdad.

 

**** tour setup should be easily over 200whp even on a V-AFC.

 

Your setup is capable of way over 200whp with proper tuning. Who did the tuning?

I made 184whp 138tq with stock airbox and cat, gsr cams, crappy LS greddy header, AC/PS pulleys attached.

 

Also i forgot to mention that i'm running The edelbrock Victor X Manifold as well, The car also has a carsound hiflo cat & Unorthodax Pulley with p/s and a/c delete

I originally purchased the car from james.. Tom's Friend (b18c5-eh2)

When they tuned it at enginerred performance on a vafc, here's what they layed down..



VTEC is crossing over it's just not powerful at ALL or loud at all.. I would be throwing a CEL if it wasn't working properly, correct?

Running a chipped p28.

* Also The car was running a Kenji chip and layed down 179 whp then after like 12 pulls we gained 3 whp


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Toadfart &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your setup is capable of way over 200whp with proper tuning. Who did the tuning?

I made 184whp 138tq with stock airbox and cat, gsr cams, crappy LS greddy header, AC/PS pulleys attached.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Shawn Cole done the tuning

thanks for the help

 

The top lines are HP and TQ and i Believe the bottom lines are my a/f

 

hope this thing gets to runnin better

 

i tuned the car. i've tuned a ton of very similar setups, most of which make quite a bit more than 200 whp. i have no idea why this one wasn't makin much power. here's a much better graph:


this car was very hard to tune for some reason. theres a problem somewhere. i think the cams aren't timed right.....
and jimmy, if you'd break down and get the hondata S300 i told you to get, it'd be all good

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by junkyard racer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">might be going out on a limb here but what kinda fuel are you running? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Chevron Premium Or anywhere i go 93 octane

 

the torque curve looks alright up to 8k after that the power certainly takes a dump at you play with the cam gears at all? it looks like the exhaust gear is advanced too far. either that or a shitty air filter or sumthin...

 

Is the TB portmatched to the IM?
What size exhaust are you running? Straight through muffler?

 

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What size exhaust are you running? Straight through muffler?</TD></TR></TABLE>


Damn that's another thing i left out, Rpm 70mm TB not sure if it's port matched.. Also aem V2 intake.

I'm running The apexi n1 catback. I believe it's 2.5 inch?

 

Wow, your TB is 70mm? That's huge man, too big IMO. And if it isn't portmatched, that's a big problem too. A TB that big is gonna send your powerband really high in the RPM range, Jun S3's are very big cams. Is that JG IM you have for NA applications? It's not a Turbo application IM, I hope.

The Apexi N1 is 2.36 inches, your going from a 2.5 inch header collector down to a 2.36 inch exhaust = not good. You want your exhaust to be the same size or bigger than the header collector. What size is your high flow cat?
For a build as aggressive as yours, a 2.5 inch exhaust is a must. Any all motor b18c putting out more than 190whp should step up to a 2.5 inch exhaust, general rule of thumb.

Your engine would benefit from a SRI instead of a CAI. Your shooting for a high powerband, SRI&gt;CAI for you powerband target area.


Modified by allm0torGSR at 8:07 PM 9/26/2006


Modified by allm0torGSR at 8:10 PM 9/26/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by allm0torGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, your TB is 70mm? That's huge man, too big IMO. And if it isn't portmatched, that's a big problem too. A TB that big is gonna send your powerband really high in the RPM range, Jun S3's are very big cams. Is that JG IM you have for NA applications? It's not a Turbo application IM, I hope.

The Apexi N1 is 2.36 inches, your going from a 2.5 inch header collector down to a 2.36 inch exhaust = not good. You want your exhaust to be the same size or bigger than the header collector. What size is your high flow cat?
For a build as aggressive as yours, a 2.5 inch exhaust is a must. Any all motor b18c putting out more than 190whp should step up to a 2.5 inch exhaust, general rule of thumb.

Your engine would benefit from a SRI instead of a CAI. Your shooting for a high powerband, SRI&gt;CAI for you powerband target area.
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I'm not sure if the IM is for turbo application or not, The header has a 2.5 inch collector on it then the Hiflo cat has a 2.5 inch collector on it as well..

I plan on ordering a Whale ***** for an intake so hopefully that will work better then the V2.. As for why i'm only laying down 182 whp.. I have no clue

 

Is there any thing i could look at to see if the IM is n/a or turbo application?

 

The Victor-X in N/A fashion is usually only used on 2.0L builds.

 

Done a compression test today at work.. And the numbers are:

#4/ 220 #3/ 215 #2/ 215 #1/ 215

I know it's good with the numbers being close together, but with 12:5:1 CR what is the ideal numbers?

Thanks

 

Hmmm, I would think those numbers would be higher for a 12.5:1 engine, but I don't think it's anything to worry about. What's most important in a compression test is that all the numbers are in the same area. Your's are fine.

I wouldn't put a TB larger than 66mm on your engine. I don't know much about the IM product lineup of JG Edlebrock. I know they sell really big ones for forced induction engines, dunno if they even sell smaller ones for NA. The factory GSR IM flows well enough to support 200whp.
I still have the stock IM and TB on my 12:1 B18C1, Spoon cams, JDM ITR header, 2.5 inch Carsound and exhaust, Comptech Icebox, I'm making the same power as you with a little less TQ (183whp/133wtq).

 

Those compression numbers look low to me. With that high of compression your numbers should be much higher. Do a leak down to find out if you have some leaky valves or rings.

 

With 12:5:1 CR, what kind of numbers am i suppossed to be pulling?

I also only turned the engine over three times, If i turned it over more the numbers would be higher, but still consistent.

I've seen at least 2-3 threads with the edelbrock victor X manifold on GSR swaps pulling 200+ WHP easily.

So I need to go with a smaller TB, what do you guys reccomend.

So the conclusion is that my low numbers are due to tuning..???

* also i remember when shawn was tuning it, i don't know if he messed with the exhaust cam gear or the intake cam gear, but we messed with it and the numbers dropped to 169.