Hey, at a recent autocross, I have discovered that my friggin Azenis has a mild screw in the tire. I'm not sure if it's all the way through or not, but it's not leaking to my surprise.

I went to Midas and talked to some guy saying that the tire isn't repairable saying it's too close to the edge, but I'm not 100%.

Just pisses me off because there is still a lot of life on these Azenis.

What's your insight? Please let me know what I can do. Experienced replies please.

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Thanks in advance,

Cheers,
-Brandon

 

BY THE STANDARDS OF THE RUBBER MANUFACTURES IT IS NOT A REPAIRABLE TIRE NOR SAFE TO REPAIR......THERE ARE SHOPS THAT WILL REPAIR THAT TIRE
BUT I WOULD DISCOURAGE YOU FROM GETTING IT FIXED FOR SAFETY REASONS
AND ITEGRITY REASONS

 

i have the same tires, an di have had a screw about the same place, rear tire, and on in the middle front tire. no issues 3K later

 

I used to do tires for sam's club and we wouldnt repair a tire with a puncture that close to the side wall. sorry dude looks like your gonna have to bite the bullet on this one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecsi00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BY THE STANDARDS OF THE RUBBER MANUFACTURES IT IS NOT A REPAIRABLE TIRE NOR SAFE TO REPAIR......THERE ARE SHOPS THAT WILL REPAIR THAT TIRE
BUT I WOULD DISCOURAGE YOU FROM GETTING IT FIXED FOR SAFETY REASONS
AND ITEGRITY REASONS</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do your really work at a wheel/tire shop? Any shop should be able to patch it, so like as the sidewall is intact. Btw please DON'T YELL.

OP: you might need to take the tire off to check out the sidewall. Is there any cupping around the tire's edge where it meets the rim? Take it into some other shops. They should be able to diagnose it and fix it for $10-15.

 

you can buy a plug kit at kragen (or where ever for) for $15 and fix it yourself. a shop will tell you you need 4 tires and new engine blash blah. that tire is repairable, the side wall is not screwed up, those plug kits are great and worth having around. when you go to fix it be ready to move so and the tire will not go down more than a few lbs and away you go. then keep your eye on it... 99.9999% chance you will wear that tire bald out having fun.


Modified by mini-e at 10:04 PM 9/25/2006

 

thanks for all the replies. I was thinking the same thing since the sidewall looks fine..

Just a matter of how they do it. It's not that big of a screw I'm thinkin anyway.

I'll take it around and see what happens.

Thanks again.

 

The reason the tire shops are telling you that they can't fix it is because the tire patches need a flat surface to work properly...I had a tire shop try and patch/plug a tire with a near exact puncture and it would not hold air after that. Since then...I've been buying road hazard warranties with all my tires.

 

a tire that is fixable must have a puncture less tha 1\4 diameter in the tread area......shoulder is not fixable......sidewall is not fixable.......there must be steel belts where the puncture is located......the pucture must be located 1/4 away from the sidewall...and if the tire if fixable you must use a combi unit or a plug and patch depending on the degree of the injury........ these are all the guidelines from the rubber manufactures assc..

 

One of my local tire guys actually says you can fix a puncture on the sidewall. He says the tire must be dismounted and left to cure after the patch has been applied.

As for the safety of this, I have no idea.

 

i know tire shops out there still fix things that shouldn't be fixed or will put a tube in it...in my opinion i would rather buy a new tire than have a tire fixed incorrectly
for my safety and my families safety and the guy driving next to me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecsi00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know tire shops out there still fix things that shouldn't be fixed or will put a tube in it...in my opinion i would rather buy a new tire than have a tire fixed incorrectly
for my safety and my families safety and the guy driving next to me</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why would you buy just one new tire? Its always good to buy tires in pairs, and in this case, a 10$ repair is certainly better than the cost of two new tires.

 

I'm with vtecsi00 on this one. Sure, it's a good idea to replace tires in pairs, so they have the same performance characteristics. But when you have a tire destroyed, you can buy another one just like it. After all, we're not talking using an all-season tire on one side of the car and a sticky summer tire on the other one. You can mix two of the same make/model/size tire on the same axle even if they have different tread depth. Maybe it's not ideal, but it will work just fine. Heck, I do it myself.

Keep in mind, I don't like to overspend on tires. (I wear my tires down to the treadwear bars, rotate and check pressures frequently, etc.) While I hate the idea of throwing away a tire with perfectly good tread on it, that screw is just too close to the sidewall to be safe if you tried repairing it. Sorry to say, sh*t happens and sometimes you're stuck with paying for something that wasn't your fault. Replace that tire. But just that one.

 

Yeah, I agree with you. I went to another place today and they said they can patch it from the inside, but it wouldn't be as good as if it was in the center or closer where the steel brade is.

He said it would work to be temporary. It's still holding the air as well too.

I ended up ordering a set of new 4 azenis, and will keep 1 for a spare, and sell the 2 others since they still have good life on them.

Thanks a lot for the advice all.

 

it'd have been perfectly fine to patch. i've patched/plugged MANY MANY tires that close or closer...and never had a blow out or mysterious leak.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted94cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it'd have been perfectly fine to patch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it wouldn't.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted94cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've patched/plugged MANY MANY tires that close or closer...and never had a blow out or mysterious leak.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you ever thought that maybe you've just been lucky? All it takes is one blowout and it could cost you a whole lot more than it would to replace the tire...

 

i stop considering it luck after 200-300 patches/plugs

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted94cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i've patched/plugged MANY MANY tires that close or closer...and never had a blow out or mysterious leak.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that why company's like yours give a good tire shop a bad name. for fixing crap like that

 

Did you ever pull it out to see if it does leak.

I want to share with you all a couple of instances
1. Piece of glass in sidewall 1" from tread. I patched it using three of the cheapo plugs and it lasted the life of the tire. Not safe, but are the roads really safe?

2. I have worked at a tire shop too, and they make specific patches for the sidewall. So I would not have a problem patching it, that is if it is leaking.

3. I have had two blowouts on the freeway at 70+ on great tires luckily they were in the rear. which is where I would put the patched tire. ALWAYS keep the best two tires on the front!!!

You all should see what comes into tire shops. It is simply amazing that these people could not feel/see their tires conditions, and that are driving besides you right now..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecsi00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that why company's like yours give a good tire shop a bad name. for fixing crap like that </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, who the **** are you kid? we fix things that ppl want fixed. it's a ******* tire plug/patch...been doing them since i was 13y/o and never once had an issue. you're obvioulsy just ignorant..so i'll let it slide

 

I would never get a puncture in a sidewall fixed. That's just insane.

And I would never trust a tire shop that even considered fixing one.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thesmogman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. Piece of glass in sidewall 1" from tread. I patched it using three of the cheapo plugs and it lasted the life of the tire. Not safe, but are the roads really safe?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's like saying, "It's not safe to try driving your car 100,000 miles without changing the oil, but are the roads really safe?" You can control your odds by doing things that will make your car run reliably and minimize the chances of having a problem, or you can do things that are downright stupid. And it's your right to make those decisions for yourself. Charles Darwin would certainly approve.

 

From the Tire Rack web page on puncture repairs (it actually has a lot of useful information in addition to this quote):

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tire Rack website &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guidelines allow the repair of punctures in a tire's tread area of up to 1/4" in diameter. Repair of larger tread punctures and of punctures to the tire's shoulder and sidewall areas are not recommended.</TD></TR></TABLE>

From the Discount Tire website:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Discount Tire website &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For your safety, Discount Tire Co./America’s Tire Co. will only repair your tire in accordance with RMA (Rubber Manufacturers Association) Recommended Procedures.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

Note that the position of the nail in the "do not repair area" in the above illustration looks exactly like the one in the photo in the first post in this topic...

 

Thnak god you are on this bored saving people from certain DEATH. Gosh I'll never take a chance on a plug on the edge of the tread again (it worked out for me 3-4 times but that was just LUCK) Hey poison, where do you live? If it is a pickup (i am in (portland, or) I'll save you the disposal fee on the obviously trashed tire with the incredible damage and I'll buy the other one at a reasonable price.

 

Every board I've seen has some people who post a lot of useful, accurate information, and some idiots who attack them for doing so. This board is no exception.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted94cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

haha, who the f we fix things that ppl want fixed. plug/patch...been doing them since i was 13y/o and never once had an issue. ignorant..so i'll let it slide</TD></TR></TABLE>
and that makes it right...... obviously when one of those tires that you fixed cause's a serious injury or death than maybe you will think twice abou it......i have customers come in all the time and explain to them that we can't fix there tire properly with an object in the sidewall or shoulder and explain to them why they are more than happy to buy a new tire or get a used tire from me.......that is why there is a rubber manufactures assc......THEY will not take back any tire that is repaired incorrectly for any type of an adj for a defect........