Hey guy's. I have really been looking into alcohol/water injection kits because it is much more practical than running race gas all of the time, and I wanted to see what kits you guys have been using, and which ones are the most reliable. I will be controlling it either through my Turbosmart Eboost's aux controll or through one of the alky controllers if it is recommended. I have been looking at the Devil's Own kits, but I would still like to hear some input, thanks.

 

http://fjoracing.com/products/waterinjection/

 

Wow, that looks like a really nice kit, I like how it can be activated but so many different parameters. Do you use this unit?

 

Yikes, I see they justify the options by the price.

 

yes i use this kit as well as their ECU. you get what you pay for, FJO electronics are very high qaulity and they back all their products

 

right on!

 

I have a cooling mist kit with an LED pump alert light and an LED low level indicator, its pretty safe cause if something goes wrong and the pump stops working or I run out of fluid the LED's light right up in my face. Mine is currently run through a boost sensor but I am switching that out for a electrical solenoid to control all the aspects of it through my S300

 

http://www.alcohol-injection.com
Great kits for the price adn great customer service.
I have a local SRT4 running around with one of these. Gt3076R at 20 psi Over 400 whp, intake temps remain at ambient and the ecu allows 30 degrees advance.

 

Cool. Looks like I decided on the Devil's Own Kit. I am going to use a 4 gal aluminum fuel cell, and I was wondering about that low level indicator and if you can hook it up to a warning light without the use if the controller?

 

No pumps, no relays, no wireing, doesnt get safer than this..

http://www.andersonfordmotorsp....html

 

i wouldnt rely solely on the injection kit.. what if somethign sgoes wrong with it? BOOM! thats why im just going to run race gas. one less thing to have to worry about.. alky injection would be a good backup fail safe though but not something i want to rely on all the time.. i have too much other **** to worry about.

 

I have been running the Devil's Own Kit for a couple of months now. Ive had no probs with it, and it works just like it supposed to every day!

I don't think the low level indicator is needed if you are good about checking the tank in between fill ups. i run a 4qt tank w/ 5gph nozzle and it usually lasts me 2-3 fill ups during daily driving conditions (thats whats nice about h20 injection, you consume it only when you need it). On track days i typically use up about 2qrts of 50/50 mix. So unless you are super lazy and never check fluid levels the low level indicator thinggy is not needed.

What i really like about the Devil's Own kit is the progressive controler! its small, digital, and super easy to dial in. It literally took me about 2 drives around my block to get it dialed in and i havn't touched it since. Also, a plus is that Devil's Own has got stand-up customer service.

 

Hey, thanks alot for the info buddy!

 

http://www.dubzentrum.com/foru...=1051

 

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Other than it's sucking a corrosive liquid through an impeller spinning at god knows how many RPM's, plenty safe Slows down spool too, turbo spins up slower when it has to suck a liquid through it.

 

Check these gains this guy made with the Devils Own kit.
http://www.alcohol-injection.c...t=290

Not typical but looks like he all but eliminated heat soak

 

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Other than it's sucking a corrosive liquid through an impeller spinning at god knows how many RPM's, plenty safe Slows down spool too, turbo spins up slower when it has to suck a liquid through it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have no idea what you are talking about, go to corral.net sign up and do a search for "Mr Freeze" and see how many people have been using it for years with no problems and the gains they have made. few people were concerned about this same thing and there is documented proof that it will do no damage.

EDIT

MR freeze works

Mr freeze vs Snow

"Mr. Freeze will in no way hurt a supercharger, gear reduction superchargers in piston aircraft have been spraying 150 octane fuel and straight meth into there impellars since WWII. . . I maintain them for a living, and have never seen damage from 30psi spray of meth/water/fuel/or anyother fuel additive. . Not saying its better than the snow kit. . .Just saying that it will not hurt a supercharger. ."

There are many other threads on the subject but I dont feel like digging them up. and after years of use there has been NO damage to any impellar. so far I have been using it for 2 months, I have no damage, and my spool isnt slower. so where are you getting your info from?..oh out your ***.





Modified by Boostage at 11:47 AM 10/4/2006

 

http://www.snowperformance.net/ - Excellent product, works right all day long. Has some cool features you can add, like if you run out of meth it will drop you to wastegate boost. Progressive injection based on load, indicator lights, all good stuff.

PLUS, he's local here in CO

 

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PLUS, he's local here in CO</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey Jeremy. I ended up going with the devils own kit already, but that is a real nice kit. I am looking forward to seeing what you can do with the meth when you tune my car. I will be calling you here in the next few weeks, I just need to get my clutch in and get a few little things finnished.

 

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Hey Jeremy. I ended up going with the devils own kit already, but that is a real nice kit. I am looking forward to seeing what you can do with the meth when you tune my car. I will be calling you here in the next few weeks, I just need to get my clutch in and get a few little things finnished.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds good, I'm ready when you are

 

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sounds good, I'm ready when you are </TD></TR></TABLE>

^^^....the man

 

question:

What would be a good fluid solution that would give me the power of a race gas tune with just using the "x" mixtuer with the injection? straight methanol?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have no idea what you are talking about, go to corral.net sign up and do a search for "Mr Freeze" and see how many people have been using it for years with no problems and the gains they have made. few people were concerned about this same thing and there is documented proof that it will do no damage.

EDIT

MR freeze works

Mr freeze vs Snow

"Mr. Freeze will in no way hurt a supercharger, gear reduction superchargers in piston aircraft have been spraying 150 octane fuel and straight meth into there impellars since WWII. . . I maintain them for a living, and have never seen damage from 30psi spray of meth/water/fuel/or anyother fuel additive. . Not saying its better than the snow kit. . .Just saying that it will not hurt a supercharger. ."

There are many other threads on the subject but I dont feel like digging them up. and after years of use there has been NO damage to any impellar. so far I have been using it for 2 months, I have no damage, and my spool isnt slower. so where are you getting your info from?..oh out your ***.[/i]</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, so if you're not pulling stuff out of your ***, show us some datalogs from one pull without mr. freeze and one pull with mr. freeze, prove to us it doesn't hurt spool. I've seen quite a few comparisons between pump based kits and that crappy system drawn through the impeller, and the AFM kit can't touch pump kits, especially when you're running an IC and the AFM kit will puddle fuel in the intercooler.

 

Its debateable, some people are gonna swear by 100% meth, but after doing lots of research i personally think that a 50/50% is the best for a street driven car. Don't underestemate H2o.

Also, a 50/50 mix makes it easier to tune if you are only using an A/F wideband gauge. Actual A/Fs will be -.1 from whats shown on the gauge. If you use a lambda gauge it makes it much easier to tune, and calculating your mixture is less of a pain.

 

I have had great luck with 70/30 water/meth. Enough luck to add another 8 degrees of timing under boost.