this has been buggin me..... i know people like to be different or try and find cheaper power.... but how many of these builds have you actually seen working?

I allways hear of people getting a F22 block and and H22 head, or an H23 bottom and an H23 top... or lord knows what else.....

why does everyone keep trying this. I see at least 1-2 posts a week about people starting one of these builds, and allmost no 100% satisfied/success stories......

i dont get it, or maybe i just never see good results......

 

I've seen quite a few LS/VTEC swaps work just fine

 

maybe because people that try these don't have much money and can't get their motor ogether that fast. i know pirate mcfred was doing good on his...

 

I am doing an F22b bottom (iron sleeves) 55k miles withan H23a head (DOHC - DSM tubo setup) for the cost aspect. I paid $225 for the F22b shipped to my door. Just sold the tranny for $180 and selling the head for prolly $100 (made money already ) I got a complete DSM turbo kit at a local yard for $300. And am going to be buying an H23a head for around $200.

That is a cheap fun project IMO.

I will let you all know how it goes as I get further.

 

I remember reading in the huge G23 thread that one of the guys have put over 10k miles on their motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I remember reading in the huge G23 thread that one of the guys have put over 10k miles on their motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe it was Prelittlelude, he and Pirate McFred are the gods of the franken motors.

I believe prelittlelude has been boosted on his G23 for almost 10k miles.

Now tell me that isnt satifaction.

 

i never said it never works.... but i said the threads started that are "im building a _23 Vtec engine" compaired to the "I just finished and loved my _23 Vtec engine" are like 10:1

it seems like its not worth is

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MadCityLude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am doing an F22b bottom (iron sleeves) 55k miles withan H23a head (DOHC - DSM tubo setup) for the cost aspect. I paid $225 for the F22b shipped to my door. Just sold the tranny for $180 and selling the head for prolly $100 (made money already ) I got a complete DSM turbo kit at a local yard for $300. And am going to be buying an H23a head for around $200.

That is a cheap fun project IMO.

I will let you all know how it goes as I get further.</TD></TR></TABLE>


isnt the f22b dohc head the exact same as an h23a1 head????

 

I bought the F22b out of an accord - the SOHC Vtev

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it seems like its not worth is</TD></TR></TABLE>

No one's putting a gun to your head and making you run the same setup. If you don't want to run it, then forget about it.

Others are just after a cheap alternative to a relatively more expensive H22a longblock.

 

agreeded,

but i have yet to see an total price breakdown from start to finish that nets more HP for less money.....

making it cheaper in the long run to just work with a normal H22 or H23.... see my point....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">agreeded,

but i have yet to see an total price breakdown from start to finish that nets more HP for less money.....

making it cheaper in the long run to just work with a normal H22 or H23.... see my point....

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Dig up the old G23 thread. They broke down the costs. I think it was like $250 total! Good luck trying to find a running H22a shortblock for that price!

 

Not to mention the fact that to run forged pistons in an H you have to sleeve.

The F blocks are iron sleeved - they will accept forged pistons right from the factory.

 

I did it as a fun/interesting/cheap/torquey project to keep me occupied when I was laid off a few years back. I had a blown H23 with 170K miles and bought the following:

$375 F23 block
$286 Crower cams
$265 RM S&R
$50 P5M pistons
$67 Bore/hone
$50 DC header
$45 F23 HG
$45 H23 timing belt

-$100 Sold the f23 head
-$50 Sold the F23 IM

that's less than $1200 for 200whp and 185wtq.

After 10,000 miles a spring came off some of the timing gear and skipped the timing belt teeth which bent some valves (I should have used a GSR timing belt). It was cheaper to buy a refurbished F22B cyl. head than to rebuild the 180K mile H23 head. and it has been good for another 8000 miles so far. The block is untouched for 18000 miles. So if you do it right you can have more power, more torque and decent reliability for less than an H22 swap. You just have to get your hands dirty. That is what's with these hybrids lately though I admit a lot of them are even more half assed than my build.

Pirate

 

185wtq= heaven

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shutta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe because people that try these don't have much money and can't get their motor ogether that fast. i know pirate mcfred was doing good on his... </TD></TR></TABLE>
well pirate mcfred kicks ***. and so does his wtq.

 

I dont know where your getting all your information from as far as people not being satisfied. All of the people that have done the proper research and take the time to assemble it right seem to be pretty happy about their little creation.

 

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Holy crap I would never spend that much on motor work. I'm glad I'm not all about going fast anymore. Too many tickets, and too many wreckless drivers out there now days. It was fun back in the day, but now I just need to be a bit more careful

 

frankenstien's are the same as a full n/a build, or turbo/sc build
get the right info, do the research, and you can't go wrong.
If you find out what you need to know, you'll be pleased with what you spent your time and money on.

 

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Theres no reason why u cant have a fast car without tickets/a ton of accidents, thats on u right there, not your cars ability to reach light speed.

 

I'm just now learning the honda world coming from Nissan. I just dont get it. With nissan engines all the engines have a simple solution to power. Turbo. SR20 engines are 2.0L producing huge numbers. KA's are truck engines pushing 800HP and more. RB's are monster potential engines. Even the little CA18 can produce huge numbers. And really it costs little to nothing to turbo a stock nissan to 280hp-300hp.

I come to read up on honda's because I just totalled my S13 and got a 91 Prelude Si and all I see is this parted up engines.

Whats to stop you from taking like the B21A1 engine in my car putting new cams and different compression pistons in it and slappin' on a turbo for 7-12Psi of boost?

 

Well I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble turboin' any honda, its just that those have been covered and covered so these guys are doing there own thing on the cheap, and producing.

I guess those nissans my have had more built into them if they are going into a :gasp: truck. So there may be less motorwork involved with turboing. I dont know maybe just search the turbo forum. I guess I'm ramblin'.

 

More I think of It I thing it mainly comes down to Nissan turbocharges more of their engines stock. Honda turbo's none stock. And the truck engines have nothing special about them other than low compressions.

 

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RDX baby!!

 

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Holy crap I would never spend that much on motor work. I'm glad I'm not all about going fast anymore. Too many tickets, and too many wreckless drivers out there now days. It was fun back in the day, but now I just need to be a bit more careful</TD></TR></TABLE>

he said 10k miles, not 10k dollars, lol...and if u think $1200 is a lot on a engine build, then cars are not your thing, lol...

to the orignal theard starter. its all about what u want. i wanted more low end tq, and thought it would help spool my turbo a little more, so i went with h23 bottom end this time. fully balance things, double check your clearences, do it right the first time, and dont molest your engine and you'll be fine. i use the term molest loosely, cause what i do on a daily bases is more then most guys do when racing, just know what your engine is built to handle, and dont exceed it. i have over 1000 miles in 3 days on my new engine, see my sig below...