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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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Hey Honda Tech, and Honda Tech users this is my first post so i am now officially "popped" I guess you could say.

I am building a B16 for my 87' CRX and want to know if i am on track to accomplishing my goals and i also want your honest opinions on the B16.

I am hoping for at least 200hp to the flywheel and these are my mods: B16A(jdm) Block with new polished/balanced crank, Eagle H-beam rods, Probe High Dome Pistons (81mm), 96' GSR head with exhaust porting, type-r cams, upgraded skunk2 valvetrain with S2 adjustable cam gears, 4-1 aftermarket headers, Skunk2 intake manifold and 68mm Skunk2 Throttle Body, Eagle Fuel Rail with 310 injectors and adjustable FPR. I have a stock B16 computer and a YS1 B16 tranny with a stage 3 Clutchnet Clutch kit and a new 14-15 lbs flywheel. I just want to know how much HP basically i could pull out of a B16 and how much would these mods help me get and if i should do anything a certain way or what? Help me out.....let me know whats up and will this gsr head even work with these high compression pistons.....please and thank you to anyone who responds. and also wheres the honda meets at?
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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the parts you have seem to be on the right track, but what is going to really determine the HP levels you are trying to get is if you give more information on those 81mm pistons.

what is the compression on those pistons?
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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As close to 12.1 total c/r as you can get, but nothing higher...better to have 11.8 than 12.8 if you're tuning with pump gas. Headwork, Toda header, RC 310's, ported type r IM, M22x/S2S2/Jun 3 cams and tuned.
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 07:37 PM
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The only thing i would add to that list is some way tune your setup such as hondata or neptune.
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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I cant really understand the Probe Piston website but maybe you guys can its http://www.probeindustries.com and i have the high dome 81 mm B16 pistons, and i do Have RC 310 injectors. so approx. what HP do you think i am at now and what compression with a non milled gsr head and the specs on the probe piston website?
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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ohhh yeah i will be running 91 octane with octane boost to insure that 3% difference that gas stations are allowed
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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your ecu will be holding you back. assuming you will have a 2.5" collector
on that header and exhaust, there is no reason you cannot meet your
goal of 195-200 at the crank, 170 to the wheel with about 116-118tq
at the tires.
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 08:12 PM
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Thank you every one this info is a relief and help if only i was rich....please keep sending and feel free to give any opinions on running a B16 or why not to run a B16 and remember its going in an old school 87 Crx.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 12:47 AM
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tune on crome or hondata, and i think 200hp crank is achievable
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 03:55 AM
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Toda header does wonders on b16's
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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With today's cam profiles, intake manifolds and headers being more available
improvements can be made on Omni's 200whp model more easily. That
motor was almost a carbon copy of Roger Foo's World Challenge motor
when he was a rookie. Steve was making 200-208/125-128 at the wheel
on that car back in I think 1998-1999. Old knowledge combined with
new tricks are a good combination for making power on B Series engines.

Thats one thing thats nice about the B, there have been guys doing
this a long time and those of us that still run that motor have all that
available to us. There are some good tips with making power on
the smaller displacement engine, especially in the head to take note
of. Sometimes spending all the money doesnt help. For an application
like this, knowing the steps and putting the attention where one needs
it is the challenge to putting a good total package together.

The approach of making 1-3 whp at a time is definately demoralizing for the beginner and definately par for the course. Looking at a package perspective
and looking at what it takes to make 40-60+ whp at a time takes more money,
however reasonable steps can be made so that people arent getting less
than what they pay for. The payoff is tremendous when the results come
in and trust me it opened my eyes personally to have done this video
with Omni because I always chased down 1-2whp gains and got myself
feeling the "extra" power in my head, not really going faster. Give it a
look, let me know if there is anything I can share that would be helpful.

Mike
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