It seems like if you breathe on a K20A...2?...you'll make 200whp no problem. Now I don't know if we're all retards over at CB7t but even with cams and all bolt ons I haven't seen a regular H break 200whp. Am I just bugging or is the K really that much better of a motor? And for what it would cost to get into any non-K equipped car is it worth the $$$?

 

With the stock K-head flowing more than most ported B-series heads, and the use of I-VTEC and KPro to extract the most power out of the motor, it's no wonder that K-series motors are posting up such good numbers.

 

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200 whp on a stock H22 isn't a problem if you use the correct cams, exhaust, header and Hondata.

 

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Yea it doesnt even take that to reach 200. Many people are making near 200whp with h22s on only rmf or smsp header,intake and exhaust. With the correct cams and hondata it will easily break 200.

Personally I dont think the K series is really cost effective right now. Unless you get a good deal on one. So i say until the price of the k comes down a bit the h is a better buy imo. Especially with the h2b kit now which helps out all u civic and integra guys.


Modified by lude98SH at 1:49 PM 9/19/2006

 

I put down 197 w/ i/h/e fuel tuning on my h22a.

I used some craptastic cam regrinds to bump it up to 205whp.

 

Was that with Type-S cams Adam?

 

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No, jdm cam regrinds from Rocket Motorsports.

 

I meant the 197 run.

 

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Stock JDM cams.

 

Haha I remember being there also, thats the sad part. So did adam ever have type-s cams? lol

 

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No, just JDM, Jun IIIs, and rockets.

 

sicne when does the K series make THAT much more power than the h22?
a few years ago i dynoed my h22 next to a k20a2, we boht made 175 hp, he made 142 lb/ft and i made 152....and even now with all the mods and stuff for teh same money you can make more power on teh h22...

 

Have you seen the dyno's of people making 215-220 with bolt ons and tuning?

 

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seen it for both K's and H's....

 

Im just curious if you can show me the h-series dynos.

 

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this should shut alot of people up

 

Im not trying to shut up anyone hehe. It'd just be nice to have a solid comparison between h22/k20.

 

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Type S pistons
Jun Cams
Euro Accord IM
ITR TB
No Balance Shafts
SMSP Header with 2-1/2" race exhaust
S200

 

210-240 whp on a stock H series block isnt hard at all. There are a few on this board.

 

Both are great motors. The 2.2ltr displacement helps on the torque side with the H, but bottom line you aren't hitting 205+, muchless 215+ like some k20's, without cams if not cams and pistons, intake manifold, ITB, etc. except in VERY rare cases.

It's common knowledge a semi-healthy k20a2 should be over 200whp with intake/exhaust/proper tuning; maybe a mediocre header would be needed depending on the dyno calibrations. No one is going to expect that with a h22, period.

I still think people do not give the h22 credit where it's due, at least compared to the hype of the k20. However, I know* the k20a/a2 is a better built motor that can take more abuse N/A and FI, especially vs an H, probably better than a B but that isn't 100% proven yet.

Right now, a h22 is the best swap economically. I remember 5-8 years ago people wanted to swap a h22 into everything with wheels, now it's the k. Just how it works. I'm more curious how the new honda 'big block' 2.4 ltr's potential is going to play out. A friend is building a k20a2 head / k24 block setup and going for 250/185 on a conservative 91 tune, mild compression, etc. in a new si.

 

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Type S pistons
Jun Cams
Euro Accord IM
ITR TB
No Balance Shafts
SMSP Header with 2-1/2" race exhaust
S200</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those are some nice numbers. But has a decent list of mods.

Here is a stock k20a2 with bolt-ons no cams.
http://www.k20a.org/forum/show...=dyno

Both are great engines no doubt.

 

the k20 is a advanced engine over the h22........ but the k20 can not handle a turbo and as for n/a there is alot of up keep as in bearings get wiped out.

 

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HORRIBLY wrong on both counts.

 

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What the. What do you have to back this "k20 can not handle turbo?" How do the bearings get warped?

The thing that makes k20 great is i-vtec.

 

iVTEC, a few more years of R&D on chamber and head design, and the fact that (when comparing B builds and some H builds), the K series are typically larger motors.... 2.0L and 2.4L respectively with plenty of room for added size with the technology and internals to hold similar rev ranges, and breathe for them too.

That'd be your major reasons for now . Are the extremely superior? We'll see in the coming years - I feel that the H is just now really getting explored itself (too much B love in the past years).... but the K will likely, excuse me, will dominate especially once things become more 'well known' and aptly, cheaper.

iVTEC is making a lot of things possible that were not previously possible, just as VTEC made high performance 4 cylinders possible originally (without power adders).

I'm not on the K bandwagon yet (not in the budget, honestly)...but I'm sure one of the next motors I put together will be a K.

Nathan