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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 06:35 PM
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I was going to get eiback sport kit springs, which are a 1.7"/1.5" front/rear, with KYB AGX's, but will the negative camber effect my handling or will a small amount be good for it(or so I hear)? if not, how much negative camber actually helps handling?
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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Default Re: how low a drop before cambers needed? (msinsky14)

depends on alot of things. i'm lowered at least that much and i have -1.5 all the way around.

but you know how you counter-act camber wear? you corner harder
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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what do u mean? is 1.5 degrees help handling?
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:00 PM
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Default Re: how low a drop before cambers needed? (msinsky14)

he's saying his camber is 1.5 degree's and to make sure he doesn't wear the tires faster then usual he corners harder. instead of going around a corner way slow
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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oh ic, that just didnt make sense when I read it, but is that a good amount of negative?
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Default Re: how low a drop before cambers needed? (msinsky14)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by msinsky14 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do u mean? is 1.5 degrees help handling?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes yes yes yesyesyesyesyesyesyes

i'm not sure if there's any one thing that improves handling than negative camber. fine, there might be, but negative camber = good for handling.

as long as you don't have -5 degrees it's fine.

Also, camber is not a tire wearing angle. Toe is. Lower the car, get the toe set to zero, and don't worry about the camber kit, unless you want to tune the camber to affect vehicle dynamics/handling/etc.

for a street car they're really not necessary. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Actually, doesn't camber affect how your tires wear down? Negative camber means that the inside of the tires wear down faster than the outside, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Default Re: how low a drop before cambers needed? (thegeorge613)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thegeorge613 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, doesn't camber affect how your tires wear down? Negative camber means that the inside of the tires wear down faster than the outside, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, camber is not a tire wearing angle. Toe is. Lower the car, get the toe set to zero, and don't worry about the camber kit, unless you want to tune the camber to affect vehicle dynamics/handling/etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you miss that part?
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 12:57 AM
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Default Re: how low a drop before cambers needed? (thegeorge613)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thegeorge613 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, doesn't camber affect how your tires wear down? Negative camber means that the inside of the tires wear down faster than the outside, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's a common misconception that camber wears tires, but it's generally not true. unless you're running a LOT, it's not gonna affect tire wear in a major way. Sure, but the time you hit the cords on a set of tire, there might be a slight difference from inside to outside, but it's a negligible difference.

the reason why this happens is that tires are compliant enough to redistribute the load they're under evenly across the contact patch. that means that effectively there isn't any more pressure on the insides than the outsides. When you get to a point where the tire can't compensate for the angle, then you might see some wear.

Toe is a much more dangerous angle, for obvious reasons.
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