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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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I really thought my brother would post this before me, since he brought it to my attention. Now the question is: Are they getting a new car, or are they DONE like so many other teams??? This is on racingjunk.com:


2 Rick Jones 06 Toyota Solara's
FOR SALE.... (2) 06' Rick Jones Pro-Stock legal Toyota Solara's.

Both cars are identical. The best parts that money can buy. Both are Viper red painted by SD Enterprises and are show quality. Both cars have been 1.00 in the sixty foot and have run 4.21@173 in the 1/8 and have run as quick as 6.50@218 in the 1/4 mile. Cars can be sold complete turn key or rolling. Turn key cars can be set up with either AEM or MOTEC ECU's. Some options include carbon brakes, electric shocks with sweeps, fully loaded race-pac data aquisition, etc. etc.

Many more parts are also available including complete Toyota 2JZ engines along with 3rd members and Lenco Transmission parts.

Anyone interested in either the cars or parts, please E-mail me what you are looking for and I can send you the price.

Thanks in advance

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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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that sucks. everyone is getting out.....
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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Well, I gotta tell ya, I'm certainly concerned! This is a class I love to watch!
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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I keep asking the same question about PRO RWD in other threads, but no one responds. It is a dying class. I guess it will be titan all by themselves next year. Hopefully Manny and some others can get things sorted out down the stretch of this season and be ready for next year.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 03:44 PM
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Maybe its just time to step up and go pro stock or pro mod racing, im pretty sure they are all tired of traveling all over the country to race a 3 car field
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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what happened to performance motorsports? they really looked like they would come out strong in 06 but they never came out. wasnt george I coming out with a G35 that was built along with their cars? wheres aj berge or tirso san juan? i think ara said he would be back in 07. it would be awesome to see steph back in the class too(im thinking rwd accord coupe SO HOT!!! AEM PLEASE DO IT!!). the past two seasons in this class have been spectacular. i guess its just to much money to compete in without much return, i dunno. hopefully these season was just for some retooling and some of these guys will come back.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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I can think of one real big reason why all the pro guys are leaving..........ITS CALLED 10.5 OUTLAW RACING!!!!!!
Seems like thats where alot of teams are heading to. Even guys that run IHRA/NHRA Funny cars.

Anytime you have a race where the winner wins $50,000 and the payouts pay all the way down to 1st round loser how can you go wrong????

The Sport Compact Pro teams are starting to see that there is nothing to gain in running PRO CLasses. How many PRO RWD teams have big time sponsors??????
NONE!!!!!! All these teams are very class act and i would even say on the same level as NHRA PRO STOCK. they have the sam eequipment right.

I also think that alot of the PRO Import/Sport Compact teams are gonna start running alot more "PRO STREET " races as well in sanctioning like NSCA,ADRL and others along the lines.

Even look at cars in MODIFIED/Pro OUTLAW. Justin Humphries and Paul Efantis are even Pre Registered to race the PEIDMONT 10.5 race where the entry fee is $500!!!!!!!......BUT The payouts and the rewards are far more greater.


Its sad to see that the "RWD Import" classes are starting to dwindle down. hopefully this industry will turn around for the good and have bigger and higher pay outs so we can have all racers show up at events and not have low car counts like the previous years.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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350z, lot of talk but they havent' been able to get things sorted out enough to compete, they had an accident in one car and had to finish the other 2.

Talked to Steph this weekend, he's not planning on running NHRA next year so don't count on that.

It takes a lot to be competitive in the class now, before you could throw an engine in a ordered chasis car and be competitive, now you've got to have the total package and be ready to go .50's or better which takes quite a bit of money and most aren't willing to step up with big sponsorship not currently lingering around, hopefully we'll see more step up to the plate as things go on.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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I think that steph definatly hit less walls in pro
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by E-Town4229 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what happened to performance motorsports? they really looked like they would come out strong in 06 but they never came out. wasnt george I coming out with a G35 that was built along with their cars? wheres aj berge or tirso san juan? i think ara said he would be back in 07. it would be awesome to see steph back in the class too(im thinking rwd accord coupe SO HOT!!! AEM PLEASE DO IT!!). the past two seasons in this class have been spectacular. i guess its just to much money to compete in without much return, i dunno. hopefully these season was just for some retooling and some of these guys will come back.
-Roger</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tirso spent a lot of money after the Rockingham rollover, and it killed his expense account. From what I understand, he went to Phoenix in hopes of attracting a sponsor, and that kinda failed. He eventually sold his toter to MSP, but I don't know what happened to the car.....I think it's just parked.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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I would like to see more cars in the class but it looks like money is real tight for everyone. Hopefuly this class will be resusitated.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 04:03 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by naturalvx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">350z, lot of talk but they havent' been able to get things sorted out enough to compete, they had an accident in one car and had to finish the other 2.

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i was up at vanishing point just last week, they still have the orange 350 there, performance has both other cars back in their possestion and are gettin them ready, supposedly. i believe they bought the g35 that was supposed to be George & someone else's car...
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 04:53 AM
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Man I hope this class doesnt die
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 06:28 AM
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Titan is just scaring everyone away! Haha, but seriously, unless someone else comes out, next year will be the Titan show in ProRWD!

I think most of the problem is the expense of running a ProRWD. Pass for pass it can be more expensive to run than even a Prostock car and it is definately more expensive to build! Just ask Nero or Scranton! I hate to see Scranton get out. That is just one more good person getting out to explore other arenas...
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 07:28 AM
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IF everyone is getting out then where is the market for the used chassis? I guess they could be reskinned as a cobalt or something.

Problem with the pro ranks is that when the money sponsors pull out, no one has pockets deep enough to race a season themself. I hope things get turned around.

EVOLUTION. May be what you see in the NDRA from last year, combining the domestics and imports.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpeedDreamz.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

EVOLUTION. May be what you see in the NDRA from last year, combining the domestics and imports.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unfortantly at least for Pro Compact NDRA's comp to Pro RWD Evolution means no Imports showing up. Which for me was not exciting at all.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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100% correct about the 10.5 outlaw class. why go slower in the sport compact series when you can go faster in another series?


like everything else $$$ plays a big part in racing. most teams have buissness that fund the team. so if your not in the shop doing buissness where are the funds comming for racing.....
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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The cars have a market overseas and in bracket racing and that's where most of them have been sold.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Just curious how much these cars are getting sold for?
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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IMO Pro RWD and Pro FWD are two classes that need to be added to the NHRA Powerade series and such like series. They are far more expensive to campaign a car in and need the exposure of the larger series to help fund such cars.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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i've been saying this for a while but NHRA really needs to start incorporating other cars into it's PRO classes. Limit the turbo size and add some weight to the PRO RWD cars and put them in pro stock maybe. That'd be hard though because the entire field is seperated by a few hundreths. There isn't room though to just add PRO RWD into the current program. They barely fit pro mod in and pro stock bike doesn't even run at some events.

The one thing that really annoys me about the NHRA though is when you want to build something and read the rules and realize it's impossible. For example, in the Sport Comp econo altered class, for a 4 cylinder powered car you have to have a single carb and 2 valves per cylinder. The carb thing? Oh well, i can deal. But 2 valves per cylinder? Does that even exist anymore on a 4 cylinder production engine?
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 12:23 PM
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Vince how is a Pro RWD car more expensive to build than a pro stock car? Just to lease an engine in pro stock is outrageous. Maybe the roller is a little more money...but probably not much. Same deal.

I agree that it is just the cost of the racing. But there is no way in hell you can compare the cost of a Pro RWD operation to the total cost of a competitive Pro Stock campaign.

I certainly understand teams leaving and going to other series. Racing yourself for free gets boring.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njn63 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've been saying this for a while but NHRA really needs to start incorporating other cars into it's PRO classes. Limit the turbo size and add some weight to the PRO RWD cars and put them in pro stock maybe. That'd be hard though because the entire field is seperated by a few hundreths. There isn't room though to just add PRO RWD into the current program. They barely fit pro mod in and pro stock bike doesn't even run at some events.

The one thing that really annoys me about the NHRA though is when you want to build something and read the rules and realize it's impossible. For example, in the Sport Comp econo altered class, for a 4 cylinder powered car you have to have a single carb and 2 valves per cylinder. The carb thing? Oh well, i can deal. But 2 valves per cylinder? Does that even exist anymore on a 4 cylinder production engine?</TD></TR></TABLE>


You have to realize that the 4cylinder motors they are talking about in that class are either A) a small block chevy cut in half to be a 4cylinder or B) an AIR COOLED VW motor.

And those classes are comp eliminator. if you wanna know more about that class ask TOYOTATURBO. he is a COMP ELIM GURU.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoogieDownBrown &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have to realize that the 4cylinder motors they are talking about in that class are either A) a small block chevy cut in half to be a 4cylinder or B) an AIR COOLED VW motor.

And those classes are comp eliminator. if you wanna know more about that class ask TOYOTATURBO. he is a COMP ELIM GURU.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know but how does the NHRA expect to survive when it won't revise class structure/rules that were set 20 years ago? I'd love to run sportsman but i'd like to use something that is fairly high tech. EFI is a evil word to the NHRA even it seems even though it's been on production cars for the last 15 years.

I dunno, i just don't see any reason why there is even a seperate NHRA "sport compact" series. Create classes for the cars in sportsman and set up indexs for them just like all the other cars. You'd have a whole new generation of racers interested in NHRA sportsman racing all of a sudden.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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I guess Titan ran everyone off again.
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