I was looking to bump to this fuel source for my NA K20a2. I know I don't have to flush my system after every run, but does it need to be flushed ever?
Does Ethanol lubricate?
What about oil changes, how frequently do I need to do it with Eth?

Also, I contacted VP and it seems that they only have it in 54 gal drums and only in TX. Does anyone know of a FL source of Eth?

Thanks!
Steve

 

I thought I heard somewhere that they started selling these at the pump in Florida recently.

 

Cape Canaveral, Tallahassee...

Here's some E85 facts: http://www.ethanol.org/

E85: 85% Ethanol; 15% unleaded gasoline



What is E85?
E85 is a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% unleaded gasoline for use in flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs). E85 is classified as an alternative fuel by the U.S. Department of Energy.

What is a flexible fuel vehicle?
A flexible fuel vehicle (FFV) is a vehicle that can operate on any blend of ethanol up to 85%. If E85 is not available, the vehicle can operate on straight unleaded gasoline or any percentage of ethanol up to 85%.

Many major automakers including DaimlerChrysler, Ford, General Motors, Mazda, Mercury, Isuzu, and Mercedes manufacture vehicles that can operate on E85. FFVs have been produced for several years, and the number of E85-compatible makes and models is increasing each year.

View the latest list of FFVs, including those new for the '06 model year.

Where can I purchase E85?
There are several hundred E85 pumps across the country, and that number grows each day. Follow this link to see a complete list of E85 refueling stations.

Where can I purchase a flexible fuel vehicle?
Check with your local auto dealer – many dealerships stock models with the flexible fuel option. Or, if you’re ordering a new vehicle, your dealership can order the vehicle with the flexible fuel option for you.

The flexible fuel option is available at little or no cost to the consumer, making these vehicles a smart choice for those wishing to tap alternative energy sources.

Why should I consider E85?
E85 is a high octane, high performance fuel. It is a renewable source of energy and reduces the crude oil imports needed to fuel America’s transportation system.

Ethanol is a clean, environmentally friendly fuel and, in an 85% blend, is very clean and even more environmentally friendly. E85 reduces harmful hydrocarbon and greenhouse gas emissions.

Because E85 vehicles are flexible by nature, owning a flexible fuel vehicle is a practical way to enter the world of alternative fuels without any limitations on the vehicle’s range.


Ethanol Fuel & Your Vehicle


Ethanol is a clean, renewable, high performance fuel for your vehicle. Up to a 10 percent blend of ethanol (called E10) is covered under warranty by every auto manufacturer that sells vehicles in the U.S. for every make and every model of vehicle.

Ethanol, the clean fuel:

Ethanol is a clean-burning fuel that reduces carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon tailpipe emissions.
Ethanol is an oxygenate, and that oxygen allows it to burn more cleanly and more completely than gasoline.
Ethanol, the renewable fuel:

Ethanol is made from corn and other crops, renewable resources that derive their energy from the sun, rain, and soil.
A new supply of ethanol can be "grown" each year, in contrast to the millions of years needed to produce fossil fuel-based energy sources.
Ethanol, the high performance fuel:

Pure 100% ethanol has an octane rating of 113, so adding 10% ethanol to gasoline raises the overal octane by 2 to 3 points.
Ethanol has a lower BTU value than gasoline, meaning that ethanol burns cooler and is gentler on the vehicle's engine - less wear and tear leads to longer engine life.


Still looking for suppliers and other info.

 

ethanol isn't corrosive you don't have to flush
up the fuel roughly 30% and your gold

 

Would you not want to run 100% ethanol in a race car?
I think Wyoming Ethanol might have some info.

 

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heck yeah, in tallahassee... started pumping out yesterday!!!!

i also have filled up a 55 gallon drum at a station in columbus georgia before
that was a pain, homeboy wouldnt let me do it at first, i drove 2 1'2 hours to get there, i was for damn sure leaving with some E85

 

I have done quite a bit of research on Ethanol, from my knowledge you cant buy 100% ethanol (unless you have a liquor license, at least out here in Cali) as that is "moon shine" and on top of that 100% Ethanol (industrial grade) is very, very expensive. The highest I have seen from both VP and F&L is E98. Which is 98% Ethanol and 2% gas, they add the gas so people cant consume it. You also DO NOT have to flush the fuel system.

But in my experience, I run Methanol with Klotz Top Cylinder additive and have not seen any type of corrosion or having the Methanol turn into the jelly substance that it likes to...

 

Is Ethanol cheaper than Methanol?

Steve

 

At one point it was. Now I cant find it for under $3/4 gal. Where I pay about $2.00 gal. for Methanol.

 

Even with the additive...you still flush your system right?

Steve

 

meth is to easy to use, i wouldnt try anything else, its a garunteed horsepower adder. So you might have to change the oil more frequently, no biggie, I never flushed my system out and noticed no ill effects. I was very hesitant to use it at first but after i made the switch i was mad I didnt do it earlier.

 

How often are you changing your oil?

Steve

 

Would it be possible to have a pump gas tune and a E85 tune and run it on the track and gas on the street or is the E85 one of those things that if you have to make change to your fuel system to run???

 

I don't think you'd have to make a change but this is for a race car set up. Not sure how everything would work with Ethanol just poured into a regular gas tank...


Steve

 

ethonal is $1.96/gallon at the pump here in MN. there are over 280 stations in the state that carry it. i run it and have been having good success with it.

 

I dont flush it as much, as I have not deemed it a necesity. But from what I know of Ethanol, you do not have to flush at all....

 

You need roughly 40-60% more fuel then you need with gas, possibly more... So yes you would need larger injectors, pump, etc....

 

Very good price, wish I lived back in the mid-west again.....

 

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Incorrect!!

If you were to switch to E98 over Gas it would be 30% more fuel needed.

Not sure how much more for E85 over gas. Ask Carey Bales.

Methanol is roughly 50% more over gas.

But I did find alot of humor in "Roughly 40-60% more fuel" HA HA that is pretty ROUGH!!!

 

Incorrect to who?

From my experience, thats what it took.

Thank you.

 

I just do not understand how or why it would take 60% more ethanol over gas?

When methanol over gas is about 52% more required.

I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you use about 30% LESS ethanol VS Methanol!

I am not tryin to be a dick, I am just trying to keep things remotely accurate on the subject.

 

Well when I switch from pump gas to E85 I originally added about 30% accross the whole map. Once we got a WB on it we ended up taking alot away at idle, and took away some fuel up top also. Even on straight ethanol it wasn't much of a change from E85.

So I would say, depending on the application you would need anywhere from 20-30% more E85 than pump gas. But the more I use it the more I think that number is closer to 20%

 

I am speaking of methanol perosnally. The 60% for ethanol comes from my tuner, he's been into motorsports and tuning for over 40 years. Look at my sig for his ECU that he builds.

And heres a archived post about meth: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1556464

 

this thread is about ethanol, not methanol

 

Look half way up the thread.....