I'm curious as to what people think you should do if you're coming into a turn too hot. It's because I know someone who went down because he said he was going into fast + target fixation with the people behind him but that's a diff story.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when i came in too fast on a sharp turn I didnt see coming. Halfway through the turn I realized i wasnt gonna make it, pulled up straight, locked the brakes, crossed the road and slid into the grass. Of course they followed me instead of the road and we all went down like dominos. Luckily there was grass and no one coming in the other lane. Amazingly, no one crashed into each other either. Everyone came up fine, but the bikes took a decent hit. expletive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know I wouldn't have stood it up mainly just cause I know even if I think I'm going too fast for the turn, chances are if I lean enough and keep my head in and don't panic, I might fall but I might not... Kind've curious as to what's considered "correct"

 

well you can do exactly what he said, sit up and try to ride through it. however, if you in a canyon or some sort of situation at hand where you're block from doing that... i would let off the gas, and put all my faith into the bike and lean it out. itll go low enough to scrape a peg so hopefully thats enough to get through im usually pretty careful with it, so i guess its easier said than done

 

I garuntee he had room left on his rubber and his bike could go farther. it was too fast for him though. i'd do what you said plus gently hit the rear... doubt if that's the "correct" thing to do but if I'm halfway in already more then likely unless it's decreasing radius... I can make the whole thing

 

Most people that bail out because they think they're going in too hot had enough in their bike to make the turn.

 

I think for most riders their bike has more ability to turn/lean than what they use. I have come into corners too hot and I just leaned it over more and made it through. It scared the hell out of me because I was leaned over more than what I usually do, but I didn't crash.

 

lean more and hang off and hope for the best.

 

One day i came in too hot on a decreasing radius turn, it was pretty scary for me at the time. I can now say that i could have easily leaned through it but i wasn't confident yet. For some reason, my natural inclination was to put my inside foot out supermoto style and get on the brakes pretty hard. I was about 6 inches from going off into the grass but i made it.

 

Brush the rear brake with your foot (very very very lightly), add gas, and leeeeeaaaan the bitch!

 

pull the clutch in

 

they crashed because they were looking where they were going instead of looking where u want to go.see y they followed their leader coz they were looking at him instead of the road. you can always make it into turns. ur mind has a part in it too.
how far can i lean?
how bad do i wanna make it thru this corner?
am i ready for this corner? etc....

 

Your choices pretty much involve the following:
1. Stand it up and get HEAVY on the brakes, and keep the handlebars centered - keep that bike going STRAIGHT. This will only work if you have some run-off room since this is probably going to make you run wide of your turn.
2. Gently apply both brakes to reduce speed. This will cause the bike to want to stand up, giving you more traction for breaking, but hopefully will still allow you to keep your line through the curve.
3. Keep on leaning over, ride it out, and hope you don't run out of tire/traction

ITs a tough decision as to which one to choose, and will obviously be dependant on MANY factors. Regardless of which one you choose....ALWAYS look where you want to go and NEVER use heavy front break while trying to slow down in a curve or you will low-side....trust me

PS- I love discussions like this. I'd rather talk all day about how to ride safely than see "pics of my new RRR" or "is this a good deal on a CBR blah blah".

 

It depends on how far leaned over you are from the start. Assuming the guy had room left in his traction budget he could have trail braked some to tighten up the radius of the turn. Too much brake mid lean would've resulted in a lowside though.

He also could have leaned more while keeping the bike balance with throttle. Either choice would required a decent amount of skill to execute correctly, option 2 probably would've been the best.

 

yep. id just lean a lil more, assuming you could, and let off the throttle, to tighten up. ive had to do this a few times. but if you come in wayyy to fast, and youve got no chance to turn, stand it up and ride it out. unless of course your canyon carving.lol

 

trail brake

 

id trail brake, and also a lot of people dont realize how much their bike can lean until they do it

id say, light trail braking and lean it out

 

he probably could have made the turn... BUT

trail braking would be the best bet, but if he did what he did, he would have most likely dumped it anyway.

he could have slid the rear in as well. lots of options - not go so fast ?

 

i have another answer...

i was going around a corner once and i went in faster than what i was ready for but the turn was a single lane and pretty wide. So I stood her up gave it alittle front brake and then leaned her back in and gave it throttle again.

No accidents and no going off into the grass

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jp182 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have another answer...

i was going around a corner once and i went in faster than what i was ready for but the turn was a single lane and pretty wide. So I stood her up gave it alittle front brake and then leaned her back in and gave it throttle again.

No accidents and no going off into the grass</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats a good option. Slow it down enough to lean and make the turn. Of course it all depends on how fast your going from the start.

 

If you're going to be applying any heavy braking, you're going to need to be a.) upright and b.) going straight. This is true because you need maximum traction while braking or else you'll likely be going down (or up and over ) So the heavy breaking option requires some kind of shoulder on the opposing side and visibility of oncoming traffic.

The other option is keep a steady grip of throttle and leeaan, keep your head up and look WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.

For those saying let off the throttle, typically what will happen is the bike will end up more upright. A better option would actually be grabbing a bit more throttle which results in the ability to lean more.


We discussed this pretty extensively in my MSF course a while ago.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PotatoePAPA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For those saying let off the throttle, typically what will happen is the bike will end up more upright. A better option would actually be grabbing a bit more throttle which results in the ability to lean more.


We discussed this pretty extensively in my MSF course a while ago.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is absolutely the wrong advice. MSF is a great course for a first time rider to give them some skills to survive on the road. But they don't know anything about taking a corner properly.

Applying more throttle with extend the forks and cause to you run even wider while also gaining more speed. Exactly what you don't want to do.

Assuming he was too hot and couldn't have just leaned it over on the peg he should have braked deeper on entry, turned in late while still trail braking some. I'd like to note that all of that is sill impossible unless he has been too track days/racing schools and knows what he is doing.

 

here in lies the problem... most folks think that if you let off the gas, you will stand a better chance of making a turn while in "hot". The truth of the mater is that you will actually increase the radius of your turn by doing this... counter intuitive. What needs to be done is the throttle need to be applied(Litely) and whatever happens, you have to make the turn, you just have to. if you lowside well then you lowside and you get out your wallet... if you are like most newish riders what you'll do is try and "save" the bike by standing her up and trying to brake... this is very dangerous, this can throw you into a bad situation needlessly.

 

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That is absolutely the wrong advice. MSF is a great course for a first time rider to give them some skills to survive on the road. But they don't know anything about taking a corner properly.

Applying more throttle with extend the forks and cause to you run even wider while also gaining more speed. Exactly what you don't want to do.

Assuming he was too hot and couldn't have just leaned it over on the peg he should have braked deeper on entry, turned in late while still trail braking some. I'd like to note that all of that is sill impossible unless he has been too track days/racing schools and knows what he is doing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm going to have to disagree with you here

Like chu said:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here in lies the problem... most folks think that if you let off the gas, you will stand a better chance of making a turn while in "hot". The truth of the mater is that you will actually increase the radius of your turn by doing this... counter intuitive. What needs to be done is the throttle need to be applied(Litely) and whatever happens, you have to make the turn, you just have to. if you lowside well then you lowside and you get out your wallet... if you are like most newish riders what you'll do is try and "save" the bike by standing her up and trying to brake... this is very dangerous, this can throw you into a bad situation needlessly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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I'm going to have to disagree with you here
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And I'm sure Keith Code would also agree with you guys, because in his world throttle solves everything.

In reality if you really are in too hot you need to trail brake.

The situation Schu describes seems more like overcoming lack of confidence then actually needing to scrub speed to make the corner.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RebornGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And I'm sure Keith Code would also agree with you guys, because in his world throttle solves everything.

In reality if you really are in too hot you need to trail brake.

The situation Schu describes seems more like overcoming lack of confidence then actually needing to scrub speed to make the corner.</TD></TR></TABLE>

uh but the situation I described was where the bike could be leaned over more but the rider lacked the confidence. However braking to get down to a level that is closer to his confidence would be work

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RebornGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And I'm sure Keith Code would also agree with you guys, because in his world throttle solves everything.

In reality if you really are in too hot you need to trail brake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry but Keith Code knows a lot more about riding a motorcycle than you do, and probably more than any of us will ever know. I'm gonna have to go with the advice from the guy who has coached champions at every level of motorcycle racing.