hey guys i got this civic that i dont want to get rid of becaus ei love it so much, but the thing burns oil and it pisses me off.

I want to know how much a b18b1 swap would cost all together including labor and parts. And along with the swap, i want to convert it to manuel as well.

Is there a engine thats cheaper and performs similarily to b18b1 and only requires octane 87?

Thanks

And it has to be smoggable, i plan to use this as a daily, so it needs to be fuel efficient and very reliable. So i just plan on doing a swap, nothing more

 

I am all for a B swap but if you want it cheap and reliable then why not another D series?

Either way if you look for good deals you can get an LS and all the parts needed for $800-$1000 or even less however if you aren't going to be doing th install you can more than likely add another $300-$500 for labor and installation...where are you located if yo are close I could do the swap and help you track down parts

 

im in cali

anyone else?

whats a good D series engine? i dont know whats good and bad


Modified by ck123 at 11:11 AM 9/2/2006

 

Well for cali I'd stay D series since I think you'd have a pain getting a B swap to pass inspection or whatever...

Look into D16's
D16a6
D16z6
D16y7
D16y8

or even the ZC swaps SOHC or DOHC or even the D15 vtec motors, they are all good choices


I think as long as the motor is the same displacemnet or from a new modl of your car you will be safe 1.5 and 1.6 are ok but the 1.8 may not be, not sure on cali laws

 

Due to your consern with being legal here in Calif, here are my thoughts (I live in L.A. and have a bar'd B18C engine in my 89 hatchback)

If you can find a low milage D16Z6, it would be your best bet for the money and installation ease.

A B18a motor is still an OBD0 engine and wouldn't require as much wiring as an OBD1 motor. However, they are getting pretty old and worn!

A B18b motor would require that you convert to OBD1, but it's not really that hard. Buy a wiring conversion from Rywire. The cost is reasonable and a major time saver.

Wes

 

I suggest a sohc zc. Its a pretty easy swap and its cheap. You get a decent amount of power and its smoggable.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Due to your consern with being legal here in Calif, here are my thoughts (I live in L.A. and have a bar'd B18C engine in my 89 hatchback)

If you can find a low milage D16Z6, it would be your best bet for the money and installation ease.

A B18a motor is still an OBD0 engine and wouldn't require as much wiring as an OBD1 motor. However, they are getting pretty old and worn!

A B18b motor would require that you convert to OBD1, but it's not really that hard. Buy a wiring conversion from Rywire. The cost is reasonable and a major time saver.

Wes</TD></TR></TABLE>

B18a and B18b will be the same amount of wiring and you don't need to convert to OBD1...if you do then there is a little more wiring, the B18 LS swap is a farily easy drop in swap...OBD0 and OBD1 use pretty much all the same plugs so retaining the stock harness is easy...

 

can someone list the power outputs of those d series and zc motors and how much they cost?

which car did the ZC engine come from?

 

anyone?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Loserkidwac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B18a and B18b will be the same amount of wiring and you don't need to convert to OBD1...if you do then there is a little more wiring, the B18 LS swap is a farily easy drop in swap...OBD0 and OBD1 use pretty much all the same plugs so retaining the stock harness is easy...</TD></TR></TABLE>

The OBDI conversion is very neccessary in Cali.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ck123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can someone list the power outputs of those d series and zc motors and how much they cost?

which car did the ZC engine come from?</TD></TR></TABLE>

There are a few different ZC motors. The OBD0 ZC is basically the same as the D16A6 you already have but at 120bhp instead of 108bhp. The VTEC ZC is basically a D16Z6 with a little more kick. The D15B VTEC is about 130bhp. Cost for the JDM motors is going to be around $400. Cost for the D16A6 and D16Z6 should be around $200.

Personally, I'm quite happy with my Z6.

 

^my car has a d15b2

What car did the d16z6 come in?

Is my car OBD0? &lt;maybe you can explain to me what this is?

 

Doh, it's the EX that has an A6 in it.

The D16Z6 is from the '92-'95 Civic EX and Si. It's an OBDI motor.

OBD = On Board Diagnostics. Yes, our cars are OBD0 which really means non-OBD.

 

You may hear arguements about this, but, the ZC engine can not be smogged in California due to it's never having been in a US car. (I've heard of people that are in the process of trying to get one through the system, but not of anybody that has gotten a certificate yet)

Also to make it clear; the B18a engine is OBD0 (or also called non-OBD) and can be installed as such. The B18b engine is OBD1 and you <U>must </U>convert the car to OBD1 in order to pass the REF!

If somebody tells you otherwise, check out where they live in their profile. <U>It's a California thing!!!!!</U>

Wes

 

look in the faq for engine swaps and information. obd means on board diagnostic. search on honda tech for swaps and what not. also go to hasport.com they have a faq that shows what engines will go into what car. and you can get prices for their mount kits and linkage. also, look at hmotorsonline.com for an engine to buy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also to make it clear; the B18a engine is OBD0 (or also called non-OBD) and can be installed as such.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Only '90-91 B18A1s are pre-OBD. The '92-93 B18A1 is OBD-1 and will require an OBD-1 conversion to be California-legal.

In addition, only '94-95 B18B1s are OBD-1. The '96-01 B18B1 is OBD-2.

 

what engines are OBD0 and noticebly more powerful than d15b2?

whats involved for a obd conversion?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
OBD0 ZC is basically the same as the D16A6 you already have but at 120bhp instead of 108bhp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh yeah, its about the same. Plus oh, I dont know, another cam. And all the parts come from a Integra. And its got 130hp, not 120. DOHC ZC's came in 88-91 civic\crx Si's in japan.


Modified by Voodooboy520 at 10:58 PM 9/2/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Voodooboy520 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh yeah, its about the same. Plus oh, I dont know, another cam. And all the parts come from a Integra. And its got 130hp, not 120. DOHC ZC's came in 88-91 civic\crx Si's in japan.</TD></TR></TABLE>
He was obviously talking about the pre-OBD SOHC non-VTEC ZC, which has 120ps (118hp) and is nearly physically identical to the D16A6.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ck123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> what engines are OBD0 and noticebly more powerful than d15b2?</TD></TR></TABLE>
- D16A6 '88-91 (108hp)
- ZC SOHC '88-91 (118hp)
- ZC DOHC '88-91 (128hp) - not legal in CA
- B18A1 '90-91 (130hp)
- B16A '89-91 (158hp) - not legal with pre-OBD in CA

Note than an MPFI conversion will be required for all of these engines if you are currently running the DPFI D15B2 or D15B1. In addition, the B-series engines will obviously require mounts, shift linkage, and several other bits.

 

cool thanks with all the replies...now i just need to know how much the d16a6,b18a1 and zc soch cost?

 

go with a d16z6

 

whats involved in converting obd0 to obd1?

 

If i were you i'd stick with a OBD-0 motor for ease of installation. Your gonna have to convert to mpfi anyway so converting to OBD-1 is gonna be another PITA. I'd recommend picking up either a SOHC ZC or D16A6 in order to stay non-OBD. Check out hmotorsonline.com and if your in SoCal you might even be able to pickup from them. You can pick up a SOHC ZC from them for less than 400. The single cam ZC and D16A6 are physically identical, as mentioned above, except the ZC has a slightly more aggressive cam.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
He was obviously talking about the pre-OBD SOHC non-VTEC ZC, which has 120ps (118hp) and is nearly physically identical to the D16A6.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well then, it appears that I was wrong. I forgot about that ZC.

 

Check out RyWire.com for what you'll need to do to convert to OBDI.

D16A6 = $200
SOHC ZC = $400
D16A6 or ZC transmission = $100
B18A = $600 + new mounts, axles, and shift linkage
B-Series transmission = around $500 usually...I'm a D-Series guy though.

For cost, go to HMotorsOnline.com (HMO). And add about $300 on top as a cushion for misc. ****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B18A = $300 + new mounts, axles, and shift linkage
B-Series transmission = around $300 usually...I'm a D-Series guy though.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Fixed your prices and those can easily be found for even less if you know where to look...EF LS swap can easily be had for under $800-$1000, if you are lazy you'll pay a lot