im either looking at doing a zc or d16z6? my problem is that i have a base model 88 with a dpfi. my questions are will a 92-95 harness hook into my dx engine harness and is the d16z6 (from the 92-95 style?) a direct bolt in and will it bolt up to the stock dx tranny what do you all recomend zc or the d16 i preferably wanted the zc but im having a hard time finding a 88-91 si harness thanks for helping in advance

 

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Their is a thread on this site by SiMateoAko, which addresses all of these question's, in his own change's along the exact line's you are asking about. Their is also a thread on Gassaver's.org which address's it as well. In short you can do it, you can use the cable tranny and you just need to modify the harness you have.

 

i had read about modding the harness for a zc swap but i figured if i could find a si harness it would make life that much easier in your opinions whats a better bang for the buck zc or the d 16 which im haveing a hell of a time finding

 

zc

 

d series

 

ya im thinking the zc is the best swap seeeing how its my first and alot cheaper so now all i need to do is find is a damn ecu and harness

 

It is the best idea to use your original harness and just add on the extra wires you need if you are converting to obd-1. If not then you will have to purchase the under dash wire harness.
If you purchase a conversion harness that is pretty much all you need.
vtec and everything else need has already been fixed for you. Then all you need is a resistor box and ecu
z6 IMO is the best way to go but if you are looking for a engine with low miles get the d15b vtec
same thing as the US z6
zc...eh

 

ya im just having a hell of a time findong a motor period d16yz or zc so ill have to work on that

 

either way you'll have to modify your existing engine harness for MPFI, NOT buy a different one

holla back when you find your engine of choice

personally i like the zc, for the price

 

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if you mean y8 that motor is obd-2

for your best interest I would go and stay obd-1

 

really ive been told that either a 92 d15 or d 16 harness will plug right into the existing engine harness or can hack the dx one id rather buy 1 if its true but i find 170 for a prewired one kinda foolish seeing how if i can get the harness and a wiring diagram i can do it and dont mind

 

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please dont do that, and whomever told they are the same should be shot three time in the *****.
If you take a 92-95 engine harness and compare them to your exsisting harness you will see that they are a totally different color let alone plugs do not match.
nor will a 88-91 si harness match with you dx harness.
You will have to purchase a 92-95 engine harness if the engine you plan on putting in is 92-95 and obd-1 just for the sake of matching the plugs for newly added items like vetc and so forth.
List of things you will need
Extra colored Wire from Kragen (just so you don't mix up the colors)
obd0 to obd1 conversion harness
resistor box
distributor ecu
and the motor should come with the intake manifold and injectors

I thinks thats pretty much it.

 

oops i ment d16z6 not d16y

 

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just get a later d15 vtec from some shop..you'll have lesser miles on the motor and it will be a lil fresher

 

how much differnce are we talking between the d15 out of a 93 and a d16z6 sorry dont know engine code to that model honda noob me

 

well looks like ill be getting a sohc zc no the issue is how much does this motor weigh cuz i gotta figure out how to get in form mass to maine in my probe

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vega_box &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">please dont do that, and whomever told they are the same should be shot three time in the *****.
If you take a 92-95 engine harness and compare them to your exsisting harness you will see that they are a totally different color let alone plugs do not match.
nor will a 88-91 si harness match with you dx harness.
You will have to purchase a 92-95 engine harness if the engine you plan on putting in is 92-95 and obd-1 just for the sake of matching the plugs for newly added items like vetc and so forth.
List of things you will need
Extra colored Wire from Kragen (just so you don't mix up the colors)
obd0 to obd1 conversion harness
resistor box
distributor ecu
and the motor should come with the intake manifold and injectors

I thinks thats pretty much it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Instead of buying wire I just used the wire from my sacrificial Z6 harness for my swap.

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Put it in the back and drive. I've transported a few motors in the back of my '90 DX hatch. The long blocks are around 250lbs., I think, without the transmission.

 

alright now all i got to do is figure out how to get it in there dont think ill be picking up 250 by myself seeing how i weigh almost half that heh but thx for the info good to know how sore my back will be in the am hah

 

r u looking for a zc b/c i think one of my friends is selling his out of his ef if ur interested just pm me

thanks

 

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hell nah
your gonna die

If your getting it from a importer they should have a lift you can use real quick just to get it in your car. But I would suggest bringing a friend with you. Take out your passenger side seat have your buddy sit in the back and put it next to you.

That would be the easiet way because you don't have to lift it as high as you would from the trunk.
Two people can lift it easy even with the tranny on

just use your legs

 

damn it i just found out theres no intake or nothing will the si stuff fit on it or do i need a special distributer intake etc is a pm the same as an im on here ima noob yes i might be interested ucc

 

If you're in california, Go pickup a D15b vtec for 450 with ecu, and distributor included.

 

i wish i was in cali im clear across the country d15b = 1.5 92-95 vtec correct whats the hp on one of htese any ways my local jys have some or ucc zc is interestin too
if i cant get a zc soon or a d16z this looks to be my last option no that should still bolt directkly to my tranny even tho its cable clutch in the 88 vs 92 hydro right

 

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if i cant get a zc soon or a d16z this looks to be my last option no that should still bolt directkly to my tranny even tho its cable clutch in the 88 vs 92 hydro right</TD></TR></TABLE>

look at the head stamp to make sure. There should be a stamp on it the either says 91 and up.
1991 means it came from a 92 year car
HP is 125 i believe
you will need to stay cable tranny. The cable tranny bolts right up to the motor. Hydro tranny will bring you a whole lot of headache to install including the kit. And it seems like you are trying to do this the easiest way possible.
Get a 88-91 intake manifold
what year car do you have anyway??