I recently purchased a G-force 6 pt harness and I'm having a hard time deciding on how to mount it. First off, I have no prior experience using harnesses period. I have "searched" on here and have gained some knowledge, however I'm still unclear on which is the safest way. I found this thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1233578 however I'm very concerned about this setup. Specifically, the grotch straps. In a front end collision, wouldn't your legs be prone to getting squeezed to hell? (not to mention your private parts). Do you guys run this setup?


Modified by Chillinit at 8:02 PM 8/30/2006

 

same here.. i have mine setup just like the one in the link, but i am not sure if it is right or not. i'd like to see what others think.

 

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/d...s.pdf

 

You shouldn't be concerned with your legs, it's your intestines that are important. When properly installed and tightened a 6pt should go on the outsides of your private bits.

The tension on the belts will support your pelvis and keep you relatively comfortable in the event of an accident, trust me they are wonderful in openseaters.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Another Drew &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/d...s.pdf</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good link!

 

Sorta on the same topic. Which is considered safer/more desirable, 5 or 6-pt?

 

I don't know how much safer a 6pt is, but sub-belt of a well designed 6pt is way more comfortable around you-know-where.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Another Drew &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know how much safer a 6pt is, but sub-belt of a well designed 6pt is way more comfortable around you-know-where.</TD></TR></TABLE>That would make since.
So are there two types of 6-pts? One that is a true sub that goes under the seat and the other that wraps around your legs and goes back to the sides?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlegoman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That would make since.
So are there two types of 6-pts? One that is a true sub that goes under the seat and the other that wraps around your legs and goes back to the sides?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think they're both "true" 6pts. What I was talking about is the space that's created by the sub belt at the crotch. This one leaves some room for your crotch and twists as it goes down between your legs flat against your thighs.




The sub belt of the one below goes down straight in front of you crotch...kinda uncomfortable if you ask me, especially when you have snugged all the belts.

 

The most comfortable is Schroth's Hybrid setup. Takes a second longer to get in (so not recomended for enduro driver changes) but even more space for the boys.

2" FIA lap belts also increase the safety by getting the belts to sit closer/tighter to your pelvis.

(also available in 3" lap belt versions, and HANS shoulder strap versions)

 

So the Schroth's wrap around your legs and hook back into the side, correct. Is it typical to attach them to the same point at the side straps or a seperat point?
Also, $325!? Why would the cost be more then twice as much as a G-Force? It is just a name thing?

 

You can mount them either way. I <U>think</U> it's your seat angle that determines what routing you're supposed to use. If you have a very reclined seat (i.e. formula car style), then you route the sub belt under your thighs and anchor them near or use the lap belt anchors. Otherwise, with regular upright seats, you are supposed to anchor the subelts just below your crotch.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Another Drew &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can mount them either way. I <U>think</U> it's your seat angle that determines what routing you're supposed to use. If you have a very reclined seat (i.e. formula car style), then you route the sub belt under your thighs and anchor them near or use the lap belt anchors. Otherwise, with regular upright seats, you are supposed to anchor the subelts just below your crotch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have another "noob" question. I have noticed some seat have a slot in the seat where you can run the "grotch straps" directly down from the hub. If your seat does not have a slot, do you just run the grotch straps down from the hub, around the front of the seat then anchor them back at an angle under your crotch?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chillinit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If your seat does not have a slot, do you just run the grotch straps down from the hub, around the front of the seat then anchor them back at an angle under your crotch?</TD></TR></TABLE>

NO. DO NOT DO THAT. I forgot what page, but if you look in the Schroth harness manual (link above), there is a specific warning telling you not to do that. Reason being that the length the crotch strap runs is too long and the direction in which the strap will "pull" in an incident is in the wrong direction. You want the crotch strap to pull down so that it resists the pulling up effect of the shoulder harness.

It doesn't look like your seat is made for a 5 or 6pt harness.

 

I'm currently running a Sparco Sprint due to my financial situation. If this method is incorrect, then I presume that running a 6tp harness isn't possible with a stock seat?

I think I gotta purchase a new seat.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chillinit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... then I presume that running a 6tp harness isn't possible with a stock seat?</TD></TR></TABLE>

According to the schroth manual, you can't use a 5 or 6pt harness with stock seats. I do believe though that Schroth makes 4pt harnesses that are designed to work with stock seat and also prevents submarining.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlegoman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, $325!? Why would the cost be more then twice as much as a G-Force? It is just a name thing?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I used to have GForce and now I have a schroth harness. I've held both in my hands at the same time to compare when I was swapping them out. I think a part of the reason the schroth is more expensive is the hardway. First thing you'll notice is that the hardware of the Schroth is half the weight of the GForce. Then it's how the hardware adjusts. You can run it as a pull up or pull down. I'm sure another reason it's so expensive is that it's FIA approved and also imported.

 

Even with my Schroth 6 point, I have to position myself before fastening the belt. It may be the jeans I wear, but if I do not position myself, I will be a very unhappy driver.