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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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Hello,

I did search and I found this: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1580342

My engine (B18b1) runs best with the dizzy retarded all the way. By saying runs best I mean it has the best throttle response and is liveliest.

Code I'm getting is for the ELD, and IACV.

From what I read in the thread it looks like the belt is off, but I think it runs too nice for the belt to be off, even by a tooth no?

With the dizzy set to the middle the engine is more sluggish. I don't have a timing gun..

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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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your fine, make sure your intake is clean of any blockages, clean the injectors and run premium gas.....most integra's b16 b18, b18c gsr's have always run that way
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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Thanks. It still seems to be running too rich after getting the MAP sensor straightened out (nore more 03 code). What else can be making it run rich...

I probably have some minor vacuum leaks (didn't get to that yet after buying the car) but it seems it would only make it better allowing more air in.

It has straight pipe with stock muffler
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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I know, I'll just randomly move the distributor around....
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Well, it was fully retarded when I bought the car, guy at a meet noticed that and told me it should be centered, so I moved it to center but it ran worse.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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Which way is it anyways, towards the front of the car, or the firewall?
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 06:27 PM
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Firewall.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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You are probably off a tooth. Even at fully retarded, the ignition timing will still be off. It is probably running rich because you have two logged CEL codes.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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It is advanced all the way then, not retarded.

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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 06:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by F20Cteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is advanced all the way then, not retarded.

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so which way is Actually "retarded"
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CleanLikeJdm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so which way is Actually "retarded" </TD></TR></TABLE>

That would be the way of adjusting your timing without a timing light....
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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****, I thought the picture in the repair manual was from the back of the motor, not from the front. So yes, it's fully advanced, sorry about that.

So the CEL's or timing belt..

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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95 integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That would be the way of adjusting your timing without a timing light....</TD></TR></TABLE>

like omg, that was so smooth. *cough* ..

But seriously, towards the front of the car is retarded then?
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sleeper Style &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You are probably off a tooth. Even at fully retarded, the ignition timing will still be off. It is probably running rich because you have two logged CEL codes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

mines like that. just the intake cam on my b18a is off one tooth (pointed towards the front of the car). i run my dizzy fully retarded and with the timing gun the timing marks just barely line up. from the plugs i can tell im running lean, but not to the point of pinging. oh and im not throwing any codes.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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I had the same issue as you in my DA. I changed out cams and didn't time it correctly. My timing belt was off a tooth and when it was fully advanced it ran better. It was slower than hell compared to being right though. Check your timing.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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Thanks, if my belt is off, which way is easier, to do it by moving the cams and taking the valve cover off or moving the crank...
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 09:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MDPL8706 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks, if my belt is off, which way is easier, to do it by moving the cams and taking the valve cover off or moving the crank...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are going to have to take the valve cover off to readjust the timing belt regardless.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 10:09 PM
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Allright, I'll buy a new timing belt and VC gasket and give it a try, would be good to also adjust the valves while I'm in there.

Thanks for the help!
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 10:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MDPL8706 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Allright, I'll buy a new timing belt and VC gasket and give it a try, would be good to also adjust the valves while I'm in there.

Thanks for the help!</TD></TR></TABLE>

You don't necessarily need a new timing belt unless the one on there is ready to be replaced. You just need to readjust its timing. Same with the VC gasket...you don't need to replace it unless it needs to be replaced because it is cracked or falling apart.

That would be a perfect time to adjust valve lash.
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Old Aug 26, 2006 | 10:41 PM
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Timing belt doesn't look too fresh, and is the VC gasket take the pain of removal? It doesn't leak but what I'm used to seeing is rubber rock hard solid on older cars. Who knows. I'll see once I get there.
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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 07:13 AM
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you are fully advanced...

dammit, just buy a timing light and finally do it the right way poser.
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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CleanLikeJdm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

like omg, that was so smooth. *cough* ..

But seriously, towards the front of the car is retarded then?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Towards the front is retarded, towards the firewall is advanced. Easy way to remember is the 2 r's, right to retard.
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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 10:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaNMaN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are fully advanced...

dammit, just buy a timing light and finally do it the right way poser.
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Poser? What's that supposed to mean.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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Damnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!
Punch him in the head!!!

I wouldn't take that ****! That's what you get for asking stupid questions. J/K


I forgot how to do timing. I learned during auto class, but I forgot , due to the pot.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 12:03 PM
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The crank pulley has a white mark about an inch to the right of the 3 timing marks. When setting the cams, the crank pulley white mark must be in line with the lower cover pointer. Then the cams can be set into their perfect alignment.

Once the cams and crank are in perfect alignment, and you manage to tighten the belt without throwing them off again, the ignition timing can be set. 18* BTDC usually results in optimal performance. Timing lights are around $30 and definitely worth every penny.

Their are many write-ups on how to set the cams and tension the timing belt, so search up. Good luck. Once you have everything set right, you will feel the performance difference.
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