Wanted to see if anyone has any experience with the Michelin hydroedge tires.

I'm looking for some new tires and wanted to get all season tires that would be good in rain/snow. I understand that an all season won't be as good as a "snow" tire, but was hoping to pick up something that would be safer than the p.o.s tires I am running now. The tires I have now (have to dbl check brand) have a good amount of meat on them, but I don't feel safe at all in the rain.

Car is a 98 civic ex coupe totally stock. Car is also back on the stock wheels and will be staying that way. Car is a daily driver and most of my driving is highway miles.

If the hydroedge wouldn't be a good choice for me, I am totally open to other suggestions. Main reason I started looking into the Michelins was due to costco running a $60 off a set of 4 sale

 

IMO Michelin All-Season tires are crap. Is there anywhere in your area that sells Proxes FZ4, or better yet Ecsta ASX or Pirrelli Pzero Nero M+S?

 

toyo is a piece of crap and over priced for a mid grade tire no comparison to ride and comfort and longevity and all season capabilities proven fact......if you like that look my suggestion would be the new goodyear tripletread.......same priciple as the michelin but better built and better all season traction and handling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!1111111

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecsi00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">toyo is a piece of crap and over priced for a mid grade tire no comparison to ride and comfort and longevity and all season capabilities proven fact......if you like that look my suggestion would be the new goodyear tripletread.......same priciple as the michelin but better built and better all season traction and handling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!1111111 </TD></TR></TABLE>

So you're saying that Toyo makes crappy tires? Do you have any research/links/ subjective opinions to back this up with? Besides !!! 1111 ??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shutupnskate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO Michelin All-Season tires are crap. Is there anywhere in your area that sells Proxes FZ4, or better yet Ecsta ASX or Pirrelli Pzero Nero M+S?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you have anything to back this up other than opinion? Facts, figures, drawings, etc?

 

Guys....I'm just looking for some info! I wasn't trying to start a flame war

 

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Sure. Just about every Honda/ Acura I've owned ( EH2, DC4, DC2) have come stock w/ Michelin All-Seasons. Needless to say, swapping out the stock tires was a priority. This is just my expereince with the cheaper Michelin brands. If you have any expereince regarding their more expensive tires, feel free to share.

 

Also wanted to add that I currently have 185/65/R14 on the car. I'm thinking about possibly getting 195/60/14 instead when I get this new set

Thanks for the advice on the goodyears as well. I will look into those and see how they compare to the michelins

 

yes i have been selling tires for 7 years at a major company and have been to many proven grounds when company's have ride and drives with there tires and others and as person in the bussiness i see all the things that go wrong with the tires and the most common problem with toys performance line is that they have sideline cracks and diagonal strees cracks which tell me that they are poorly made to a degree to have that problem.........which is a flaw in there production of the tires.....

 

just trying to help out not start a war guys

 

i just have a lot of knowledge about tires than most

 

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If I have 185/65/R14 tires on my car, how would either 185/70TR14 or 195/70TR14 be on my car?

The Goodyears seem to only come in those two sizes in 14

 

sorry that the tires in not available for your size......the answer to your question is that those other two sizes are to tall and will change your speedometer....when i get to work tommorow i will look and see what is available i have been on vacation
for a week!!!!!!11have you looked at the bfgoodrich traction t/a?????????

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loki2323 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm looking for some new tires and wanted to get all season tires that would be good in rain/snow. I understand that an all season won't be as good as a "snow" tire, but was hoping to pick up something that would be safer than the p.o.s tires I am running now. The tires I have now (have to dbl check brand) have a good amount of meat on them, but I don't feel safe at all in the rain.</TD></TR></TABLE>

All-season tires have nothing to do with rain. Good summer tires will be excellent in the rain; you don't need all-seasons for rain. All-season tires are designed to have a wider range of ambient temperatures and to be able to handle snow. If you need to use these tires on snow and in winter as well as the rest of the year, then by all means get all-season tires. If you're just looking for something that does well in rain, get a good summer tire like the Yokohama AVS ES100, $72/tire in 195/60-14.

The best all-season tire (by far) available in either 185/65-14 or 195/60-14 is the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position, which is $74 per tire at the Tire Rack in 195/60-14.

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I understand where shutupnskate is coming from, although I don't exactly agree with him.

Michelin (like most tire companies) makes a variety of tires. Some of them are very good. Some of them are not. Some Michelin all-season tires were the stock tires on sporty cars that never should have had all-season tires in the first place, like the Michelin XGT V4 that was the stock tire on the Integra GS-R. So a lot of GS-R owners grew to hate those tires. But that doesn't mean that all Michelin all-season tires are bad. For example, their Pilot Sport A/S is a pretty good tire, as all-seasons go (although it can be more expensive than similar tires from other brands). The Hydroedge, OTOH, is not very good at all, and I would not recommend it. It's really a rather crappy mass-market type tire that you would find at your local tire shop. Since you're not happy with the performance of your current crappy tires, you're probably not going to be happy with the performance of the Hydroedge, either.

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The ASX and PZero Nero M+S are both excellent choices among all-season tires; however, neither one is available in 14" sizes. Neither is the not-so-great Proxes FZ4.

 

Just to throw my $0.02 in here.

1) nsxtasy knows his stuff. Listen to him.
2) The stock Michelin XGT V4 that came on my GSR were teh suck. However, it was just those specific tires, and Michelin does make decent ones.
3) Currently rocking Toyo Proxes 4, which provide decent traction and noise, but have seriously mushy sidewalls to make my GCs a little more liveable on the street, but much less responsive and much more prone to rolling the tire over on the sidewall.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerN00b &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toyo Proxes 4</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's another tire not available in 14" sizes...

 

nsxtasy you do have quite a bit of knowledge about tires......would agree with you on the michelins on stock si and gsr thet were pile of ***** i know i had them and that was the first thing i replaced.........but for what it sounds like he wants...i think he is just looking for something that he can drive all year round than a summer tire.....would have to disagree with you on the avs es 100 thou in the rain living in washington where we get a lot of rain that particular tire did poorly in the rain whether it was mild or hard........from what i can see you have a couple of choices that are really good a/s tires... bfgoodrich traction t/a in both sizes, yokohama avid h4s(195/60r14),yokohama avid trz(185/65r14), and goodyear assurance comforttread 185/65r14

 

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Well, I'm not sure whether he's just looking for a tire that's good in rain, or one that he can drive in the winter as well as the rest of the year.

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I've been using the ES100 for several years and I think they're just fine in the rain. Not quite as good as the Kumho SPT but still excellent. A lot of other people think so, too, as you can see in this previous topic. So you'll just have to disagree with most of us who have been using them.

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I wouldn't describe any of those as "really good". None of those are any good at all. They're all just crappy mass market tires, and are not the very best all-seasons that their manufacturers make. They might be okay for someone who is just looking for something cheap to throw on the car. But not for anyone who is concerned about grip and performance and cares enough that he's not happy with the tires he has in rain.

Get the Bridgestones. The RE960AS is the only top-of-the-line all-season tire available in 14" sizes.

 

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good year triple treds have an 80,000 mile tread life = hard rubber. they got good ratings on tire rack but they are just opinions. i would never buy these tires again. i've spun these tires out many times on dry pavement in my f22b1. traction is very bad in the rain as well. just my 3 cents

i need some new all seasons after this winter. what should i get. i got some nokian rsi tires for the winter.


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Modified by businessmanph at 1:00 AM 8/29/2006

 

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Well, I'm not sure whether he's just looking for a tire that's good in rain, or one that he can drive in the winter as well as the rest of the year.
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Sorry if my post wasn't that clear. I am looking for an all season tire that can stay on the car all year round. I put rain/snow mainly meaning I wanted to look into tires that are known for having great grip

The set of tires on my car now were cheap off brand tires, they have done the job but have not been the best in the rain and were horrible in the snow.

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Get the Bridgestones. The RE960AS is the only top-of-the-line all-season tire available in 14" sizes.
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I'll have to check these out


Thanks for the advice and taking the time to post up your opinions

 

check out the falken line

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by businessmanph &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i need some new all seasons after this winter. what should i get. i got some nokian rsi tires for the winter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A few questions to help with a recommendation:

1. If you already have winter tires to use in the winter, then you really don't need all-season tires. Decent summer tires will give you much much MUCH better performance the rest of the year, on dry pavement as well as in rain. Why do you think you want all-seasons?

2. Which car, and what size wheels?

3. Just street use (vs track use)?

4. How much does wet traction matter? (Some tires do well on dry pavement and wet pavement, while others are designed for maximum traction in the dry and don't do as well in rain.)

5. How much do you care about value (purchase price and treadlife) vs performance?

 

nsxtasy - a few questions for you

1. The RE960AS is available in 185/60HR14 or 195/60HR14. Much of a difference between the two?

2. I noticed on tirerack that it's considered a Ultra High Performance All-Season. Do I really need a "ultra performance" type tire? I thought they were lower profile tires mainly for sportier type cars? Tire rack doesn't have any ratings for winter...which worries me.


Main concern is the grip on the road and something I can use all year long.

 

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Sure. They're different sizes. The smaller 185/60-14 is the better size for pre-'96 Civics that came with 175/70-13 tires from the factory. 195/60-14 is the better size for Integras and '97-00 Civics that came with that size or 185/65-14 tires from the factory.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loki2323 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2. I noticed on tirerack that it's considered a Ultra High Performance All-Season. Do I really need a "ultra performance" type tire? I thought they were lower profile tires mainly for sportier type cars? Tire rack doesn't have any ratings for winter...which worries me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it has nothing to do with the profile of the tires (which is that "60" part of the tire size; a 60 series tire is a 60 series tire). It has everything to do with quality. You say you want grip on the road, and the better the tire, the better the grip. You can see how the RE960AS did in the Tire Rack's testing here, where it was tested against three other top all-season tires (none of which is available in 14" sizes). You'll also see it featured on Bridgestone's home page.

The RE960AS will do better in snow and winter (as well as the rest of the year) than any other all-season tire available in 14" sizes. But if you're REALLY worried about how well your tires will do in winter, then you might want to consider picking up a second set of wheels and getting a set of true winter tires for them, and then getting summer tires for the rest of the year.

P.S. What are you doing with our town's losers in your avatar, when you have two teams of winners where you live (and we have a team of winners here)?

 

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Sure. They're different sizes. The smaller 185/60-14 is the better size for pre-'96 Civics that came with 175/70-13 tires from the factory. 195/60-14 is the better size for Integras and '97-00 Civics that came with that size or 185/65-14 tires from the factory.

No, it has nothing to do with the profile of the tires (which is that "60" part of the tire size; a 60 series tire is a 60 series tire). It has everything to do with quality. You say you want grip on the road, and the better the tire, the better the grip. You can see how the RE960AS did in the Tire Rack's testing here, where it was tested against three other top all-season tires (none of which is available in 14" sizes). You'll also see it featured on Bridgestone's home page.

The RE960AS will do better in snow and winter (as well as the rest of the year) than any other all-season tire available in 14" sizes. But if you're REALLY worried about how well your tires will do in winter, then you might want to consider picking up a second set of wheels and getting a set of true winter tires for them, and then getting summer tires for the rest of the year.

P.S. What are you doing with our town's losers in your avatar, when you have two teams of winners where you live (and we have a team of winners here)?
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Ok so I will look into the 195/60-14 size. I'm not that worried. Honestly the civic is the first car that I ever had snow issues with. I never used snow tires on the other two cars. I think a big part of that is the shitty tires that came on the car and then the cheaper ones I slapped on there.

I'm originally from IL and was a Cubs fan. When I moved here I just never got into the NY teams. I mean with all my buddies being NY fans I watch a lot of NY baseball. LOL I guess I just like suffering thru one bad season after another.




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