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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 07:28 AM
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how many teeth on an adj cam gear or degrees do i have on a d16z6 before bad things start happening
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:10 AM
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What are you asking? How much you can adjust it? You have to go to a dyno to figure that out. But its a single cam so its not worth it unless you have a lot of mods.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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Yeah, when you adjust a SOHC you're advancing/retarding (whichever you do as you can only do one) both the exhaust and intake at the same time. If you cant dyno it, adjust it 2 degrees to be on the safe side. That's about all you can do.
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Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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because it is a single cam, there is no power increase what so ever, because the intake and exhaust lobes are cast on the same cam, therefor, if you advance the cam 1 degree on the intake, it will also advance 1 degree on the exhaust, putting you right back where you started, only 1 degree ahead, the only reason you would need an adjustable cam gear is if you have a cam that you need to degree to the block, this will require the cam gear because some cams arent made with the keyway in the same spot as where honda puts it, it might be a degree or two off.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 07:21 AM
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yes exactly i'm not looking for power i'm looking to get to run like it did and yes i do have a bunch of mods enough for me anyway maybe not the chode w/ the dohc who said the single cam not worth it.i've surprised many a car chode
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 12:10 PM
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take it to a mechanic if you're having problems..
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowcivic2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because it is a single cam, there is no power increase what so ever, because the intake and exhaust lobes are cast on the same cam, therefor, if you advance the cam 1 degree on the intake, it will also advance 1 degree on the exhaust, putting you right back where you started, only 1 degree ahead</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's 100% not true whatsoever. Obviously you've thought about this for - what - ten minutes and you think you have it all figured out? You believe that by advancing/retarding both the intake and exhaust the same amount puts you back at "zero" but that's because you are a small-brained peasant who can't envision the entirety of the mechanical combustion process without a textbook and six sheets of notebook paper.

Your main issue is that you're failing to understand that the advance/retard of the intake and exhaust valves aren'tt relative to each other: they're relative to the position of the piston in the bore and the timing of the spark. Thus, moving both frames of reference forward or backward will gain or lose you power - and significantly shift the power curve around - because the combustion process is going to be altered respective to the airflow characteristics of the head.

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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 05:36 AM
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note how i said one degree ahead, honda is gonna put the cam where it makes power, why advance the intake cam to open the valves sooner, this just opens the exhaust sooner, letting anything out 1 degree further ahead. besides, a single cam doesnt have as much room for adjustment, because of the fact that overlap is ground into the shaft, you may get some power, buts its not gonna be noticable, nor it is worth it to risk your valves hitting something other than their seats. the only reason a adjustable gear exists for the single is to degree a non OEM cam.

there should be no reason for any adjustment on a factory cam, that is just a plain waste of money, to buy a cam gear for a factory cam.

Oh, small brained peasant huh.... nice one....
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 07:55 AM
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so someone w/ a super duper high revving mad vtak sohc wouldnt gain power on a dyno w/ cam tuning??????????

archiditus, FTW.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:03 AM
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ZzzzzzZZZZZZ
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by schardbody &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">archiditus, FTW.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowcivic2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">note how i said one degree ahead, honda is gonna put the cam where it makes power, why advance the intake cam to open the valves sooner, this just opens the exhaust sooner, letting anything out 1 degree further ahead. besides, a single cam doesnt have as much room for adjustment, because of the fact that overlap is ground into the shaft, you may get some power, buts its not gonna be noticable, nor it is worth it to risk your valves hitting something other than their seats. the only reason a adjustable gear exists for the single is to degree a non OEM cam.

there should be no reason for any adjustment on a factory cam, that is just a plain waste of money, to buy a cam gear for a factory cam.

Oh, small brained peasant huh.... nice one....</TD></TR></TABLE>

You sir must be autistic.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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how so, i didnt disagree w/ him, i simply agreed w/ archiditus, who infact said pretty much the same thing as he did. stock valvetrain= stock cam gear, NO ****.

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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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i have a adj cam gear on my single my head is shaved 20 mills and i had to adjust mine 1 tooth and 4 degr to get it running right oh and how you can check put your pistons at TDC and take timing belt off mark the tooth you are going to look at and turn the cam until the valves hit piston then count how many teeth you turned the cam when it the piston
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 11:30 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowcivic2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">honda is gonna put the cam where it makes power...</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, Honda is going to set it where it makes low emissions and good gas milage. The reason why 99.9% of people buy Civics.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 01:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by schardbody &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how so, i didnt disagree w/ him, i simply agreed w/ archiditus, who infact said pretty much the same thing as he did. stock valvetrain= stock cam gear, NO ****.

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I was pointing the autism remark at slowcivic.
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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wow all i want to know how many teeth or degrees roughly do i have for adjustment before the timing is so off that the pistons hit the valves......and no my motor does not have the stock cam, bottom end is stock though also the head was milled 30 thou.
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