turbo kit for 99 H22a4
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TURBO KIT FOR 99 H22a4
So...I have a 95 accord coupe with a 99 h22a4 swap....Runs great....14.96 at track...I want more...I need someone with adive on where to go for a full turbo kit....Ive found 1 nice one on E-bay for just under $1700.00 made by Turbonetics....Also I would Like a good website to go to...To order performance parts for that engine....(Head rebuild and what nots) So Feedback would be appreciated!!!!
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try never buying turbo kits off ebay..... you are safer playing russian rullete with 5 bulltes in the gun.........
H22's can be a bit touchy with boost.... not saying there are not any crazy fast turbo boosted ludes out there, but the h22 has some flaws that need to be overcome before you add boost to the mix....... (i wish we had better sleeves)
if you just think you can buy a kit and slap it on you will be very dissapointed with your blown motor a few k down the road.
on the other hand, if you are looking for cheap and efficient power, look at going with a well tuned nitrous build. Cheap HP that is only there when you need it. Tuned right, i have personally seen a lude with stock internals run 125 shot.
just something to think about, to each his own...... but i would almost go so far as to pay pal you $5 just to stay away from ebay turbo kits......
H22's can be a bit touchy with boost.... not saying there are not any crazy fast turbo boosted ludes out there, but the h22 has some flaws that need to be overcome before you add boost to the mix....... (i wish we had better sleeves)
if you just think you can buy a kit and slap it on you will be very dissapointed with your blown motor a few k down the road.
on the other hand, if you are looking for cheap and efficient power, look at going with a well tuned nitrous build. Cheap HP that is only there when you need it. Tuned right, i have personally seen a lude with stock internals run 125 shot.
just something to think about, to each his own...... but i would almost go so far as to pay pal you $5 just to stay away from ebay turbo kits......
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
on the other hand, if you are looking for cheap and efficient power, look at going with a well tuned nitrous build. Cheap HP that is only there when you need it. Tuned right, i have personally seen a lude with stock internals run 125 shot.
just something to think about, to each his own...... but i would almost go so far as to pay pal you $5 just to stay away from ebay turbo kits...... </TD></TR></TABLE>
anywayz.. he says a nicely tuned lude can handle NOS.. same thing about a turbo.. a well tuned h22 can handle 7-9 psi with stock internals.. just make sure you have someone tune it that knows about honda's and what he's doing. thats alll
on the other hand, if you are looking for cheap and efficient power, look at going with a well tuned nitrous build. Cheap HP that is only there when you need it. Tuned right, i have personally seen a lude with stock internals run 125 shot.
just something to think about, to each his own...... but i would almost go so far as to pay pal you $5 just to stay away from ebay turbo kits...... </TD></TR></TABLE>
anywayz.. he says a nicely tuned lude can handle NOS.. same thing about a turbo.. a well tuned h22 can handle 7-9 psi with stock internals.. just make sure you have someone tune it that knows about honda's and what he's doing. thats alll
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if you are only looking to get 7-9 psi of boost.... why not save a lot of money and get the same power for much cheaper with nitrous?????
sure, you can get a boneyard boost kit and run low boost all day, but for same amount of money, you could do a whole lot more with a nitrous kit.....
thats all im trying to say...... I dont see the point of boosting 5-7 psi and spending all that money when it can be done in my experience for cheaper and better with nitrous.....
just my .02
sure, you can get a boneyard boost kit and run low boost all day, but for same amount of money, you could do a whole lot more with a nitrous kit.....
thats all im trying to say...... I dont see the point of boosting 5-7 psi and spending all that money when it can be done in my experience for cheaper and better with nitrous.....
just my .02
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ahh.. okay.. so you may spend a lil bit more for a turbo setup. but you can hit boost all day long.. and have a great running motor...
ya you can tune a h22a for NOS and have it run great. and still save some $$$ for other things.. but I don't see someone hitting there NOS at every red ligght... Using NOS "excessivly" will greatly decrease the life of your motor.. far more than a boosted h22a running 7-9 psi. where as I could hit boost all the time and still be safe... just as long as i'm tuned right...
ya you can tune a h22a for NOS and have it run great. and still save some $$$ for other things.. but I don't see someone hitting there NOS at every red ligght... Using NOS "excessivly" will greatly decrease the life of your motor.. far more than a boosted h22a running 7-9 psi. where as I could hit boost all the time and still be safe... just as long as i'm tuned right...
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IMO. if you take a properly tuned NOS setup and then a Turbo. and both are tuned great.. I believe the turbo setup will out last the nos. ofcourse you run the risk of your piston rings going. but like i said.. you can't hit NOS at every light......
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they arent weak. Its the piston ringlands that are weak. Under high cylinder pressures, they tend to fracture/crack/break and leak oil and ultimately lose all its compression.
the only reason people call them weak is because you cant use tradition forged pistons and if you do, it scars the cylinder walls because they are much harder than the fiber reinforced metal cylinder walls.
This is why Mahle released a FRM compatible piston that has a coating on the piston skirt allowing it to work with stock sleeves.
you got alot of reading to do before you start giving people advice, in my honest opinion.
the only reason people call them weak is because you cant use tradition forged pistons and if you do, it scars the cylinder walls because they are much harder than the fiber reinforced metal cylinder walls.
This is why Mahle released a FRM compatible piston that has a coating on the piston skirt allowing it to work with stock sleeves.
you got alot of reading to do before you start giving people advice, in my honest opinion.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they arent weak. Its the piston ringlands that are weak. Under high cylinder pressures, they tend to fracture/crack/break and leak oil and ultimately lose all its compression.
the only reason people call them weak is because you cant use tradition forged pistons and if you do, it scars the cylinder walls because they are much harder than the fiber reinforced metal cylinder walls.
This is why Mahle released a FRM compatible piston that has a coating on the piston skirt allowing it to work with stock sleeves.
you got alot of reading to do before you start giving people advice, in my honest opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the only reason people call them weak is because you cant use tradition forged pistons and if you do, it scars the cylinder walls because they are much harder than the fiber reinforced metal cylinder walls.
This is why Mahle released a FRM compatible piston that has a coating on the piston skirt allowing it to work with stock sleeves.
you got alot of reading to do before you start giving people advice, in my honest opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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oh, forgot to add that you fix the high cylinder pressures through tuning the ignition timing, in most cases lowering the total timing a few degrees to lower the cylinder pressure and EGT.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yet with all you have said, you have backed me up in my claim that nitrous is a good ( i say better) alternative to low boost builds...... read</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't see how he said anything about NOS being a alternative.......
GOD your dumb.. sorry to say. but majority of the people here probably feel the same way.. and you're telling 98vtec to read? lol WTF man... you gotta know the people before you bang on them.. most of the people in this forum know far more information about the h22a then you.. so I am gonna have to say.. you're a "NOOB"
I don't see how he said anything about NOS being a alternative.......
GOD your dumb.. sorry to say. but majority of the people here probably feel the same way.. and you're telling 98vtec to read? lol WTF man... you gotta know the people before you bang on them.. most of the people in this forum know far more information about the h22a then you.. so I am gonna have to say.. you're a "NOOB"
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ohhh... thats right... i dont know anything....
i guess i just threw those darton sleeves in there myself because i had a feeling that FRM sleeves were not going to be able to handle the pistons i was going to use...... yes, i know why, but in a thread where im trying to explain the advantages of using nitrous as opposed to looking for the cheapes turbo kit you can find on ebay, it was a bit less of a hassel to simply state that there was a weakness in the wall.......
sure, i may sound like a bit of a dick today, im at work and pissed off at some stupid people who are making mistakes.....
but plz dont make wild accusations that i dont know anthing about an engine that i had sitting in parts on my kitchen floor for a month......
i guess i just threw those darton sleeves in there myself because i had a feeling that FRM sleeves were not going to be able to handle the pistons i was going to use...... yes, i know why, but in a thread where im trying to explain the advantages of using nitrous as opposed to looking for the cheapes turbo kit you can find on ebay, it was a bit less of a hassel to simply state that there was a weakness in the wall.......
sure, i may sound like a bit of a dick today, im at work and pissed off at some stupid people who are making mistakes.....
but plz dont make wild accusations that i dont know anthing about an engine that i had sitting in parts on my kitchen floor for a month......
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ya but the thread had nothing to say about using NOS.. the guy clearly stated he is looking for a turbo. and just wanted advice on where to find a good turbo. if he said hey "I'm lookin for some cheap HP" maybe.. but he clearly states in the title "turbo kit for 99 h22a4"
so take your laughing gas and try and market it to other people....
so take your laughing gas and try and market it to other people....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yet with all you have said, you have backed me up in my claim that nitrous is a good ( i say better) alternative to low boost builds...... imo
Modified by 92blkJDMh22 at 1:37 PM 8/17/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
im not here to argue with anyone. It doesnt lead to anything but a couple guys ruining a thread.
Just remember what nitrous is actually doing. It's raising the cylinder pressure at an instant with great force. Can cause just as much damage as a boosted motor.
And the things i stated in my above posts are what happens when people dont get the motor tuned. When you get the fuel right, then back down the timing (being very very general), you are lowering the cylinder pressure and relieving the ringland of some stress and thus allowing for a safer motor with a greater life expectancy.
Modified by 92blkJDMh22 at 1:37 PM 8/17/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
im not here to argue with anyone. It doesnt lead to anything but a couple guys ruining a thread.
Just remember what nitrous is actually doing. It's raising the cylinder pressure at an instant with great force. Can cause just as much damage as a boosted motor.
And the things i stated in my above posts are what happens when people dont get the motor tuned. When you get the fuel right, then back down the timing (being very very general), you are lowering the cylinder pressure and relieving the ringland of some stress and thus allowing for a safer motor with a greater life expectancy.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ohhh... thats right... i dont know anything....
i guess i just threw those darton sleeves in there myself because i had a feeling that FRM sleeves were not going to be able to handle the pistons i was going to use...... yes, i know why, but in a thread where im trying to explain the advantages of using nitrous as opposed to looking for the cheapes turbo kit you can find on ebay, it was a bit less of a hassel to simply state that there was a weakness in the wall.......
sure, i may sound like a bit of a dick today, im at work and pissed off at some stupid people who are making mistakes.....
but plz dont make wild accusations that i dont know anthing about an engine that i had sitting in parts on my kitchen floor for a month......</TD></TR></TABLE>
you installed the sleeves yourself?
i would have no problem with your NOS comments if they had anything to do with the topic on hand.
i guess i just threw those darton sleeves in there myself because i had a feeling that FRM sleeves were not going to be able to handle the pistons i was going to use...... yes, i know why, but in a thread where im trying to explain the advantages of using nitrous as opposed to looking for the cheapes turbo kit you can find on ebay, it was a bit less of a hassel to simply state that there was a weakness in the wall.......
sure, i may sound like a bit of a dick today, im at work and pissed off at some stupid people who are making mistakes.....
but plz dont make wild accusations that i dont know anthing about an engine that i had sitting in parts on my kitchen floor for a month......</TD></TR></TABLE>
you installed the sleeves yourself?
i would have no problem with your NOS comments if they had anything to do with the topic on hand.
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you have been pretty much on the ball:
why i say it backs up what im talking about is as follows....
"So...I have a 95 accord coupe with a 99 h22a4 swap....Runs great....14.96 at track...I want more...I need someone with adive on where to go for a full turbo kit....Ive found 1 nice one on E-bay for just under $1700.00 made by Turbonetics....Also I would Like a good website to go to...To order performance parts for that engine....(Head rebuild and what nots) So Feedback would be appreciated!!!!"
he is looking for a cheap build, and at 14.96 i dont think he has a lot of stuff done allready to the car......
Yes or no.....
I dont trust Ebay turbo kits, and a good turbo kit will be much more involved than a Nitrous kit that will greatly enhance a car that is only currently running 15s
yes or no
Nitrous is less expensive, and since you are not spraying from light to light, less stress on the engine......
yes or no
If we are talking about boosting, it would stand to reason that he would want to look at getting lower comp pistons correct?????
yes or no....
if he is getting lower comp pistons, he may want to look into resleeving the walls as we all known and have stated that they have an inherent flaw....
yes or no....
"oh, forgot to add that you fix the high cylinder pressures through tuning the ignition timing, in most cases lowering the total timing a few degrees to lower the cylinder pressure and EGT. " Suggest that a boost build is going to involve a lot more than a 1700 kit of ebay... such as some sort of EMS (aem, hondata, greddy, ect...) Making a nitrous build look a lot more attractive in the pocket book.....
The overall point of this thread is that he wants more out of his car, and seems like money is an option. that being stated, i vote nitrous.....
yes or no?
why i say it backs up what im talking about is as follows....
"So...I have a 95 accord coupe with a 99 h22a4 swap....Runs great....14.96 at track...I want more...I need someone with adive on where to go for a full turbo kit....Ive found 1 nice one on E-bay for just under $1700.00 made by Turbonetics....Also I would Like a good website to go to...To order performance parts for that engine....(Head rebuild and what nots) So Feedback would be appreciated!!!!"
he is looking for a cheap build, and at 14.96 i dont think he has a lot of stuff done allready to the car......
Yes or no.....
I dont trust Ebay turbo kits, and a good turbo kit will be much more involved than a Nitrous kit that will greatly enhance a car that is only currently running 15s
yes or no
Nitrous is less expensive, and since you are not spraying from light to light, less stress on the engine......
yes or no
If we are talking about boosting, it would stand to reason that he would want to look at getting lower comp pistons correct?????
yes or no....
if he is getting lower comp pistons, he may want to look into resleeving the walls as we all known and have stated that they have an inherent flaw....
yes or no....
"oh, forgot to add that you fix the high cylinder pressures through tuning the ignition timing, in most cases lowering the total timing a few degrees to lower the cylinder pressure and EGT. " Suggest that a boost build is going to involve a lot more than a 1700 kit of ebay... such as some sort of EMS (aem, hondata, greddy, ect...) Making a nitrous build look a lot more attractive in the pocket book.....
The overall point of this thread is that he wants more out of his car, and seems like money is an option. that being stated, i vote nitrous.....
yes or no?
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Re: (92blkJDMh22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92blkJDMh22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H22's can be a bit touchy with boost.... not saying there are not any crazy fast turbo boosted ludes out there, but the h22 has some flaws that need to be overcome before you add boost to the mix....... (i wish we had better sleeves) </TD></TR></TABLE>
The problem here is you are coming off sounding like the sleeves are the weak link, in which they are not. The notorious ringlands are the weakpoint... and believe it or not plenty of people have made an excess of 400whp on stock block H series engines.
As far as better sleeves, you need to be more specific and mention that the block has to be sleeved with iron ductile sleeves in order to run forged pistons. You left that out as well... not everybody on this site knows that.
As far as nitrous goes, you can just as easily torch your engine with nitrous as you can with 6-7psi of boost. It all comes down to proper selection of components and tuning.
If you cannot be specific with your logic or train of though... then do not post. Your posts are vauge and you are leaving plenty of information out that will easily deter individuals with a lack of knowlege to this subject.
So if you guys continue to post up bullshit and have an e-arguement I'll just go ahead and delete your accounts and ban your IP address to keep this forum clean and rid of bs.
The problem here is you are coming off sounding like the sleeves are the weak link, in which they are not. The notorious ringlands are the weakpoint... and believe it or not plenty of people have made an excess of 400whp on stock block H series engines.
As far as better sleeves, you need to be more specific and mention that the block has to be sleeved with iron ductile sleeves in order to run forged pistons. You left that out as well... not everybody on this site knows that.
As far as nitrous goes, you can just as easily torch your engine with nitrous as you can with 6-7psi of boost. It all comes down to proper selection of components and tuning.
If you cannot be specific with your logic or train of though... then do not post. Your posts are vauge and you are leaving plenty of information out that will easily deter individuals with a lack of knowlege to this subject.
So if you guys continue to post up bullshit and have an e-arguement I'll just go ahead and delete your accounts and ban your IP address to keep this forum clean and rid of bs.
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ok, i see what your saying.. i have been dealing with morons at work all day and am in super defensive mode right now......
ill break it down very simple.
He wants more power.
Nitrous is a cheap way of getting more power.
Boost (Even low boost) is also a way of getting power
Boost setups are typically more expensive.
They both pose some risk to your engine (i feel nitrous is safter but ill hold my words for another thread).
Can you at least see what im saying, even if you dont agree, can you at least see where im comming from....... i saw this as a request for more power...
if its really a request for a good turbo kit, T3/T4 hybrids have not done me wrong in the past... they have a limit but it should have no problem putting you into the low 13's with a good setup, even better with traction and a good driver.... but there is going to be a lot more than 1700 spend if you are going to do it right....
things you may also want to look at aside from the kit......
Fuel Injectors
Fuel Rail
Fuel Reg
Fuel Pump
EMS (hondata, VAFC, Greddy, AEM, ect...)
Axels (i like Gators)
IM
EM
Wideband O2
Good Tires
cut off some weight
dont let ebay fool you that 1700 is all you need and will add 100 hp instantly..... believe it or not, some people are fooled...
ill break it down very simple.
He wants more power.
Nitrous is a cheap way of getting more power.
Boost (Even low boost) is also a way of getting power
Boost setups are typically more expensive.
They both pose some risk to your engine (i feel nitrous is safter but ill hold my words for another thread).
Can you at least see what im saying, even if you dont agree, can you at least see where im comming from....... i saw this as a request for more power...
if its really a request for a good turbo kit, T3/T4 hybrids have not done me wrong in the past... they have a limit but it should have no problem putting you into the low 13's with a good setup, even better with traction and a good driver.... but there is going to be a lot more than 1700 spend if you are going to do it right....
things you may also want to look at aside from the kit......
Fuel Injectors
Fuel Rail
Fuel Reg
Fuel Pump
EMS (hondata, VAFC, Greddy, AEM, ect...)
Axels (i like Gators)
IM
EM
Wideband O2
Good Tires
cut off some weight
dont let ebay fool you that 1700 is all you need and will add 100 hp instantly..... believe it or not, some people are fooled...