Just trying to get an opinion on what people are running or suggest running for my setup.. its a b18c1 with ctr pistons and currently stock cams, blox IM, DC 4-1 header with 2.5" exhaust..

mainly looking for upper end power...

anyways, let me know what you suggest... I'm thinking about new valvesprings/retainers and some Skunk2 stage 2 cams, but unsure about the header part of the equation...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by racin_fool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just trying to get an opinion on what people are running or suggest running for my setup.. its a b18c1 with ctr pistons and currently stock cams, blox IM, DC 4-1 header with 2.5" exhaust..

mainly looking for upper end power...

anyways, let me know what you suggest... I'm thinking about new valvesprings/retainers and some Skunk2 stage 2 cams, but unsure about the header part of the equation... </TD></TR></TABLE>

you're looking for upper end power..yet you want to road race.

ideally, don't you want mid-range power for road racing?

 

do NOT get a DC header. EVER.


I have a b16 with a spoon header and buddy club spec 3+ cams. Could use a little more torque from a 1.8 but i still ahve a great time out on the track.

 

I would reccommend the S2 Pro1 for road racing. Be sure to clay the motor though and if you don't already have something to tune with, you're gonna need that.

 

Buddy club has some nice primary profiles....id look into something like the bc4, nice mid and great uptop...

 

Rocket Motorsports M22X has proven itself in road racing and rally.

 

It depends on how fast are the tracks are you planning to run ?Do you use close ratio gear ?Compression ? Personally i use JUN 4 cams for my road racing setup now (6500-9500),but if i were to change i would try out roller rockers from Ferrea.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carboy_honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It depends on how fast are the tracks are you planning to run ?Do you use close ratio gear ?Compression ? Personally i use JUN 4 cams for my road racing setup now (6500-9500),but if i were to change i would try out roller rockers from Ferrea.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The tracks I am mostly concerned with running on right now are Texas World Speeday down near Waco, TX, Motorsports Ranch (just south of Ft. Worth, TX) and the new Motorsports Ranch track just south of Houston, TX. Right now I just have a stock 99-00 Si trans but possibly looking into getting an LSD here before too long. As for my compression, its roughly 13:1 ('96 b18c1 bored 0.025", with matching CTR pistons, oem headgasket and stock head with the bottom end fully balanced when I had the engine rebuilt about 1000 miles ago).


Modified by racin_fool at 10:01 PM 8/6/2006

 

Oh **** I was thinking like auto x for some reason. Yeah man, give the M22x's a shot.....they'll haul *** in that motor!!

 

i ran with toda b's for a while. pretty good midrange, but topend wasnt there. it was fun, until i upgraded with some bc spec 4 cams, man.. im loving them. the only problem now is i gotta change my brake pads because of the extra power. hope you pick out the right cams and good luck.

 

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alright.. I see a few people recommending the RM m22x's but what about the m22xx's? After doing a little bit of reading up on them, that seems like the better route for something like what I have with 2 larger primary lobes or possibly even the m24's... Also, I see the "power package" comes with a chip for that/my setup, but a chip for what? neptune? hondata? or either?

So what about the header now? I know DC is the cheap route, but I am not into doing things cheaply on this car anymore.. I want something (again) with good midrange to upper end power, that I wont have to modify for a 2.5" collector to match my exhaust, and isn't some SS autochrome eBay P.O.S...

I'll definitely be investing Neptune and yet another tune here in a few weeks and the cams will be soon to follow.. so far its at 188.3hp with 133.1 tq on a p73 ecu

 

If that were my car...

My next modification would be the transmission. An LSD and a new final drive would make a much greater difference than a set of cams.

 

Yeah the tranny route is also another wise option. As for the xx's, for you to really benefit from doing those over the regular x, some head work would hafta be done, maybe a ported IM and a better header. Your compression is there, but trust me....from personal experience, the M22x on a road race track would absolutely kick ***. The chips work with any ecu that is socketed for one, and in your motor he would probably set a vtec engagement of 6k and limiter at 9,300 or so. As for header wise, I might just stick with what you have now until you can do a Toda or a SMSP...something like that. The SS is NOT a upgrade from your DC.

 

IMO you dont really want to be revving to the moon in a track day car. Ruins Peoples Motors.

Power is the last thing anyone should be concerned with.

 

i personally went the LSD and better trans route.. new season im going with cams and whatnot.

 

alright... so what is a good brand of LSD then? I have heard different things about Kaaz and Quaiffe, but really know nothing about them other than what an LSD does..

 

do a search in the road race and autox forum. right now im running a ITR trans with OEM LSD and it has made an awesome difference!

 

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change the camshaft too? or not? what is the next cam specs?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StreetEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do NOT get a DC header. EVER.


I have a b16 with a spoon header and buddy club spec 3+ cams. Could use a little more torque from a 1.8 but i still ahve a great time out on the track. </TD></TR></TABLE>


whats wrong with the DC header? please explain a little...




Modified by luis666 at 4:39 PM 8/7/2006

 

Are you racing in a specific class, or just doing HPDE's?

 

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just doing the occasional weekend track events here in the DFW area.. the car is mostly for my daily driving purposes right now.. I also have a 93 AWD Eagle Talon for my truely fun car..