I was just curious why everybody hates on Tein so much. I always see on here that everybody hates them but have not really heard a good reason why.

 

Who said Tein was bad? I don't recall reading many bad things about Tein. Are you talking about the springs or coilovers?

 

The coilovers. I thought they were supposed to be good myself, it's just that i see a lot of "tein sucks" on here and was just curious why

 

from my personal experiance.
i have had my flex for three years now and they are still good no need to rebuild, and the collers are not rusted or stuck.
the reason some people do not like tein from what i gather. they are not very good for racing applications(unless you step up to the higher grade teins). at that price level there are far more effective setups if you want to race.
so in my research i have found that they are pretty damn good for street driving but only so so for racing. ohhh yeah also teins tendancy to use really high rate fronts and softer rear rates.

 

Not to hate on TIENS but, I've taken a ride in a car with Tien Stech springs, then taken a ride in a car with Eibach Sportline and the Eibach equipped vehicle performed better and much firmer which is why i went with Eibach. Eibach has worldwide race technology with Rally, Drag racing, etc to give them the knowlwdge to produce such great performance suspension. They've been around for about 20 years. But ahh who cares about all that, I got them cause they ride great that's it, and based on my experience the Tein S-techs are softer riding springs

 

I have been in, and driven vehicles with many different setups. I have owned a set of eibach and tein springs. I had them on my civic over tokico illuminas. I used the eibachs for almost a month where I took the car auto-x, road race, and drag racing. The car was also my daily driver. I hated them!!! I got a chace to borrow some s-tech frome a friend and liked them so much I bought them. They gave the car a more responsive feel, they didnt flex or bend when I was three wheeling it (hard cornering), and i didnt get as much wheel hop in a launch. This was all tested using the same dampers on the same settings. Point being, in my experience, when comparing suspension you need to eliminate as many variables as possible (IE use the same shocks). I finally upgraded to a full tein suspension and couldnt have been happier. I was then saying "eibach who" LOL! The money was worth it if your looking for performance. I have driven similar vehicles on much more expensive setups and I didnt think they were worth twice as much as mine. The only thing they did that mine didn't was have adjustment on the pillow mounts. Well, thats just my two cents.

 

I have stechs and, I admit they are waay soft, they are a very nice product.

 

You can get Ksport or D2 for about $650 that have the same amount of features as the Tein Flex.

Pillowball mounts
Camber Plates
Fully-Threaded Shock Body
Fully Adjustable Dampaning (36-way, which is better than Tein)
Custom Spring Rates
Much, Much More...

Go Figure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StarRizer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can get Ksport or D2 for about $650 that have the same amount of features as the Tein Flex.

Pillowball mounts
Camber Plates
Fully-Threaded Shock Body
Fully Adjustable Dampaning (36-way, which is better than Tein)
Custom Spring Rates
Much, Much More...

Go Figure.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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i have tein flex coilovers on my 97 coupe...they kick ***

 

mostly i hear that tiens have some soft spring rates but i've ridden in a tl with ss' and it rides like stock and thats what i want in my dc2...but the cost of them is just too high for my budget...maybe later in the future

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed00si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the reason some people do not like tein from what i gather. they are not very good for racing applications(unless you step up to the higher grade teins). at that price level there are far more effective setups if you want to race.
so in my research i have found that they are pretty damn good for street driving but only so so for racing. ohhh yeah also teins tendancy to use really high rate fronts and softer rear rates.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think that sums it up pretty well. I had Tien Flex for about a year on my track car. they were fine quality wise, but they are setup for understeer. changing the springs helped a litle, but you are limited to adding another +/-2k on the springs before you need a revalve. on race slicks, I was hitting the bumpstops on the fronts on some of the tighter turns. Most of these issues would never show up in normal street driving though. for the price I paid, I was expecting more out of them.

I've since switched to race-valved konis and GC springs, which I like a lot better. I think the Flex's (or SS, HA, RA, etc) are just fine for street use, and an occasional track day, but if you want to do some serious track driving with the car, you really need to get one of their higher end setups IF you want to stick with Tein. but for that kind of money, you are probably better off with 3011s, Advanced Design, or something along those lines.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm94delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i even cut my springs and drove my sol for 3 months like that. i loved the cut springs, it was such a challenge to drive(hit a bump on the freeway and you are in the next lane). </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ballsy set-up man

 

Well I went from heated springs to Tein Basic Damper Kit. Major difference and Tein is great quality kinda unaffordable but well worth it my only issue is that the back end dips down alot I cant even have passengers in the back of my 4dr. For the most part I take dips beautifully.

 

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Yes, alot of people have told me the same

 

the high end Teins are really nice and super good

 

LOL @ 36 way damping...you mean to tell me you can tell the diff between the 16th and 17th setting????

Tein is cool though I guess. A little JDM blingy though. I'd rather rock with Tokico or H&R coilovers though.

 

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Thats funny. Same thing here when i first got my rex. CHOP CHOP SPRINGYS. Its great isnt it? Whats more of a challenge is having both strut tower bars and tiebars. Hit the ground and swerve all over. Fantastic.

 

tein's are ok for the street. overpriced, imo but they're comfortable.

for track driving/a-x i'd rather have a real suspension though.

 

Tein S-techs aren't bad at all even on the stock shocks. After a bit of time they blow the shock like every other spring out there but before that they were very comfortable daily driving and still performed decently.

I had plans on getting Koni yellows with the S-techs but wound up buying a Koni/GC set-up

 

Before my current Function & Form coilovers, I had tein basics so I'll base my opinion off that.

The tein basics (7k/3k) were great - smooth and very predictable but did understeer some. The Functions on the other hand (10k/6k) are not quite as smooth and don't understeer near as much. Granted a lot of this can be attributed to the stiffer springs, but if I was to buy another set I would buy either tein ss/flex or H&R ultra low coilovers.

For the price it's hard to beat what you get with the ksport/amr/function/etc. ~650 as opposed to tein's what? 900ish? If I had a nice car sure, but my car only cost $1800

 

so what are the spring rates on Tein Flex?
say... on a EJ6

On a hatch, I would like to imagine the softer spring rates in the rear would be great because of how light the rear of the car is.

 

Are Tein SS spring rates progressive?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudemanDan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are Tein SS spring rates progressive?</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol