with motogp going to 800cc's? I really want a 750 but the gixxer doesn't really appeal to me for many reasons... So... am I dreaming or do you think that something like a cbr750/800rr could appear in the next few years...

 

i would love for honda to crack in on the 750cc market but i wouldnt bet on it.
i think the reason is that 750's are kind of bastard children, bigger than 600's but not quite a 1000. the market isnt as big for one. 250's have a market because they are perfect learner bikes, 600's have a market because people like light weight bikes with a good amount of power, and 1000's have a market because people love power! 750's just dont fit in i guess. *shrug*

 

see that's where I disagree. I know lots of people who would buy a 750 or 800 but they don't like suzuki so either settle for a 600 or a 1000. I'm on a liter v-twin now and am stuck with the issue that I don't really want to move to a 150whp 1000cc bike but also don't want to drop down to a 600. 750 is perfect

guess I could go looking for an f4 mv augusta 750s. 135 bhp

 

I doubt we'll see any. Reason why we have all these repli-racer 600 and 1000 is because of the superbike classes (AMA/WSBK/Supersport/superstock) and homogulation rules. We'll get the trickle down from the R&D like the slipper clutches. But I'd doubt we'll ever see an affordable, production run streetbike based on a GP machine.

 

kawi is rumored to have a 750 next year or 08, but its just rumors untile september

 

I think the production of 750 bikes will come around soon. The GSXR is still soldiering on, while the ZX7R really only needs an updated engine to make it fresh (that front end is still awesome).

The Triumph Daytona 675 and Kawi ZX6R are pushing the displacement back up to the 750 range.

 

Eh, I doubt we are going to see more 750's from the big 4. As RacerZook said, the reason 750's used to be popular is because back in the day Superbike rules limited 4-cylinder bikes to 750 cc. Now that SBK uses 1000 cc fours there's less impetus to produce 750's. Now that there is only two displacements in production racing it seems like its going to stay that way.

Sure Kawasaki made the 636 to cheat a little bit (in magazine comparos anyway) and the Triumph uses a 675 but really the 3-cylinder 675 doesn't make more power that its 600 cc 4-cylinder rivals. For this reason, you might see a Triumph 675 or 2 in Formula Xtreme sooner or later.

If anything the place where I see the most opportunity for the big 4 is the budding supermoto market. They can share components with existing dirt bike lines which will help them amortize the cost of their offroad products and the nascent Supermoto racing series are spectator friendly and have caught on at the X-Games. Right now there are even several different niches within motards that are free for the taking from 450cc race-ready machines to the 1000cc streetmotos like the KTM950SM and the Hypermotard.

I think there's a lot more room for growth with motards than there is with 750cc supersports, especially when it comes to racing.

 

I dunno my hope is they do... I do have a bit of company loyalty and there's parts of the suzuki I don't like and the stigma that goes with it... but I might be stuck with it if they're the only one with one out

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">see that's where I disagree. I know lots of people who would buy a 750 or 800 but they don't like suzuki so either settle for a 600 or a 1000. I'm on a liter v-twin now and am stuck with the issue that I don't really want to move to a 150whp 1000cc bike but also don't want to drop down to a 600. 750 is perfect

guess I could go looking for an f4 mv augusta 750s. 135 bhp </TD></TR></TABLE>

i see your point, i completely forgot about twins

my arguement was for the i4's.

for twins, all ranges of displacements seem to have their advantages.

 

well any bike I move to is going to be an i4 cause I don't need another twin. but mine is like 108whp right now but 72ft-lbs tq. But because I'm not used to i4's I don't wanna goto the 1000cc's but 600's might feel bland...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMU R1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If anything the place where I see the most opportunity for the big 4 is the budding supermoto market. They can share components with existing dirt bike lines which will help them amortize the cost of their offroad products and the nascent Supermoto racing series are spectator friendly and have caught on at the X-Games. Right now there are even several different niches within motards that are free for the taking from 450cc race-ready machines to the 1000cc streetmotos like the KTM950SM and the Hypermotard.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i see it going this way as well. the motard lineup has already exploded in the last 2 years alone. i mean you would be hard pressed to find any motard parts for anything but the CRF450 and the KTM but now you can find anything for all the big 4s dirtbikes to make them better motards. plus with the advent of the 4stroke motocrosser you can now get these bikes on the street unlike the previous 2 strokes which are near impossible to get on the road.

i dont think we will ever see 750-800s again. even if the GP bikes are going to be 800s next year it still is not going to be cost effective to make 800s that mimic the GP bikes. they never have and i doubt they will start now. when honda moved to the 5 cylinder they didnt make the 1000RR a 5 cylinder. the only way that i could see the sport bike lineups changing would be if the WSB rules drastically changed. the line ups of bikes you see in the show room is far more affected by the WSB series than the MotoGP series.

if you want a 750, buy a ducati.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D Day &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if you want a 750, buy a ducati.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or a Gixxer750...the perfect supersport.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or a Gixxer750...the perfect supersport.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really want a 750 but the gixxer doesn't really appeal to me for many reasons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

You wont be seeing a new 750 or 800 bike from anyone who doesnt already have one because the MotoGP rules state that the bike must be a prototype race machine. Not a homolgated supersport or superbike.

 

no **** really? all that means is they can't share any production parts with the gp bike. that's it! and screw buying a ducati. I'll buy a suzuki before I do that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no **** really? all that means is they can't share any production parts with the gp bike. that's it! and screw buying a ducati. I'll buy a suzuki before I do that </TD></TR></TABLE>

why? ducati's are nice. i love Monsters, but i wouldnt buy a monster under a 750, its a v-twin. gotta have at least a 750 right?

you wont be upset with a 600 i4, no way. sure you have to rev the **** out of it to make power, but it sounds oh so sexy when you do. and with any i4, you'll be lacking the torque youre used to, regardless.

 

1000cc i4's make just as much torque as I have right now... the sv1000 and some others make gobs of torque that the i4's won't ever see without a turbo... and reason I don't want a ducati is cause I don't want or need another twin. my twin is being decked out and I want to try out i4's. Nah I won't be sad with a 600 specially since I'm keeping the superhawk. it's paid off and lots of fun. no reason to sell as far as I'm concerned. probably go 600 for a year or so then sell that and go 1000 i4

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no **** really? all that means is they can't share any production parts with the gp bike. that's it! and screw buying a ducati. I'll buy a suzuki before I do that </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually it means a bit more than that dickfore.

So if they cant share production parts with the machine, whats the point of building an 800cc bike that is a "replica" of the GP machine? Thats what you want isnt fanboy? They cant sell the engine and people, like you have proven, would only want the bike because they are MotoGP fanboys. So Honda and everyone else should waste millions in R&D just to please you? For a niche market?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> probably go 600 for a year or so then sell that and go 1000 i4</TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds like a plan.

f4i ftw.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BDiddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually it means a bit more than that dickfore.
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wow you called me a bad name over the internet. am I supposed to cry or something... do you even own a motorcycle???

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So if they cant share production parts with the machine, whats the point of building an 800cc bike that is a "replica" of the GP machine? Thats what you want isnt fanboy? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no I don't want a replica gp machine. I want a 750cc sportbike is what I want and have stated several times. Suzuki is the only one that makes one and I'm not a suzuki fan and don't like the styling. Learn to read much? I merely stated that I have hopes they more will be released with the movement of gp machines going to 800cc's. With that, technology can be trickled down to production machines and because they are smaller motors it'd be easier for companies to make a production engine of similar size.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They cant sell the engine and people, like you have proven, would only want the bike because they are MotoGP fanboys. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't want it because I'm a MotoGP fanboy. I want it because it's THE perfect size motorcycle whether you agree or not. 125whp with the handling of a 600cc bike. Perfect


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So Honda and everyone else should waste millions in R&D just to please you? For a niche market?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't see the gixxer750 struggling in the 750 market. I've already stated that I know lots of people with 600's or 1000's that'd take a 750 or 800 over what they have now. they don't want 150 whp (not to mention insurance) but they don't really want the screaming 600 that has 0 torque. Plus they wouldn't waste millions in R&D because most of the leg work would've already been done.

your blanket assumptions are quite humorous to me. I love motogp but I don't want a replica bike. I want a bike that isn't too much power. why have 150whp when all that will do is get me arrested. 25 less is more then enough to go from 0 to arrested in 2 seconds and perfect on the track. unfortunately I'm stuck going to a 600cc which I probably won't mind but after that I'm not sure I really want a 1000cc i4...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with motogp going to 800cc's? I really want a 750 but the gixxer doesn't really appeal to me for many reasons... So... am I dreaming or do you think that something like a cbr750/800rr could appear in the next few years... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I actually see teh opposite happening, I think you'll see large displacement bikes. a 1100RR same for the R11 perhaps even a R12. I know ducati already have a 1200 sport coming out, and Aprilia will do the same

 

man that'd suck for me. lol a 1000rr some day I could see but for around town I can't see ever needing or wanting more the 125whp...

 

I have to agree... but that's what drives sales unfortunately. most riders will never know about balance, instead opting for bigger *****

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see the gixxer750 struggling in the 750 market. </TD></TR></TABLE>

wouldnt that be in part because there is no cometition in its class. i mean other than the Duc there is isnt another 750 sport bike is there? at least nothing very common that i can think of off the top of my head.

 

yeah but the ducati is ama supersport legal even though it's a 750.