What is a good company for a upper strut bar for a 91 civic HB? The ones on ebay are dirt cheap but I don't know if they're reliable. Also are there any bars you can put in the rear interior that won't put a passengers life at risk? I know the 96-00 civics(coupe) have the floor bar, but is there anything similar for a 91 HB?

 

http://www.ExplicitSpeedPerformance.net

What we have to offer for the EF chassis:

Our Strut Bars are made out of steel not aluminum thus making them that more ridgid and strong over the flimsy ebay ones and aluminum strut bars. They definetly help with cornering and handeling and stiffening your car. Plus they just look sweet....

D,B,F,H and possibly K series compatible...as well as Integra MC and Booster compatible...

EF 88-91 Civic/Crx

2 point front upper strut bar
3 point front upper strut bar
2 point rear upper strut bar
4 point rear upper strut bar
2 point rear lower strut bar............


Modified by ExplicitSpeed360 at 2:55 PM 7/30/2006

 

Wouldn't the steel be heavier than aluminum though?

 

Steel is heavier but the strength factor is what we care about most about and should care about. Average 2 point bar weighs in at 5-6 lbs not too heavy at all...our strut bars have no joints to cause a weak point...

 

Hmmmm a good point!!!

 

I like the Carbing desing, also offered by PassWordJDM.com, or the Neuspeed bar. No offense to Explicit Speed, but I wouldn't pay more than $60 for those bars.

 

wow those things MSRP at 300?!?! Is it cause of the aluminum or that master brake stopper thing? And how exactly does that work?

 

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Well you have obviously never seen our quality, just as good as the names you listed...and I believe all the bars you listed are aluminum. Steel is stronger then aluminum what you think is going to perform better? function...Carbing came out with Limited Edition steel strut bar why you think?

We also can make MC braces...

 

let the kids buy the overpriced, cheap aluminum bars.

the real men buy explicit speed. quality stuff, perfect fit, does the job.

 

Cool, I'm interested. I will need the 2 point front, rear and lower rear. I will bookmark your homepage and purchase when my car is done at the paint shop.

 

It has nothing at all to do with the bling factor. I have a friend who can make me the same bar for materials and a blunt. He builds tube frames for race cars, so I trust his work. Whoopty do. The Neuspeed bar is aluminium and strong enough that I lean on it while I'm working on my motor without a hint of flex. Does the job if you ask me. Why is the carbing design better? Because it has three mounting points, the third joining the strut towers to the body of the car to stop flex in that direction. It's just a better design than any two point bar from any company. PSJDM's bar are a lot cheaper than Carbing and are made for LHD cars, so they don't cover the master cylinder.

Don't get all butthurt about it. It's not like I just spit in your mother's face. I just told you that I didn't think your product was worth the asking price.

Streetwerkz, you are one hell of a condescending ********. You know that? Dude, I'm 29 and far from a kid. And a lot of these kids know a damn lot about these cars. Try coming down off of that high horse some time.

 

dont call someone a ******** dude, especially when they live in the same state.

we might meet at a show or whatnot, and i'll call you on your ****. time to chill.

i wasnt reffering to you as a kid either..... but you're acting like one.

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a pot-head burn out building race cars? yeah..... maybe you should trust his work.
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you were saying?


he was only trying to sell a bar, and you come down and shoot him out of the water with your negative B.S.

was it really needed? did you help this thread any by doing that? if you think you can build a better one, build it. start your own website, become a sponsor on H-T, then start a for sale thread. until then..... chill out and come down off of YOUR high horse.

 

No need for arguments lol, peace peace! Well the carbing one seemed mad expensive for my budget, so it might be explicitspeed....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It has nothing at all to do with the bling factor. I have a friend who can make me the same bar for materials and a blunt. He builds tube frames for race cars, so I trust his work. Whoopty do. The Neuspeed bar is aluminium and strong enough that I lean on it while I'm working on my motor without a hint of flex. Does the job if you ask me. Why is the carbing design better? Because it has three mounting points, the third joining the strut towers to the body of the car to stop flex in that direction. It's just a better design than any two point bar from any company. PSJDM's bar are a lot cheaper than Carbing and are made for LHD cars, so they don't cover the master cylinder.

Don't get all butthurt about it. It's not like I just spit in your mother's face. I just told you that I didn't think your product was worth the asking price.

Streetwerkz, you are one hell of a condescending ********. You know that? Dude, I'm 29 and far from a kid. And a lot of these kids know a damn lot about these cars. Try coming down off of that high horse some time.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hate to break it to you...but the Neuspeed front upper strut bar is Steel.
It doesn't bend because its already in a bind on the car.

 

your work looks great, and i'll always support anybody trying to offer quality service and product.

i do have a something to add, as i think that your "steel is stronger- it's better" argument is a little flawed as it doesn't address section, design geometry, or the kinds of stresses that the member will see.

yes, steel is stronger in many properties than aluminum, but for the forces that are going into this and the actual effect that a stb has on a non-mac-strut car, it's not necessarily doing what you're saying. even if it were, your bar is just getting done with extra weight and brute strength what could be achieved with a better section and a lighter bar.

i'm just looking to keep the discussion open, and perhaps better your already great product. for good work and even better community support.

 

I have a nuespeed, on my beater, yes it is steel, and I'm probally gonna buy an explicit for my crx, he does really good work. I gotta see if it fits on Ryan's car first though, KRX's are not strut bar friendly. Either that or I might fab up, my own. If I do it will be made from 1.5" .120 wall DOM roll cage material. I'm an extreme weight ****, but chassis stiffness isn't somthing I like to skimp on. IF I had the provisions I would build a Titanium bar, for the best of both worlds. Light and strong.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It has nothing at all to do with the bling factor. I have a friend who can make me the same bar for materials and a blunt. He builds tube frames for race cars, so I trust his work. Whoopty do. The Neuspeed bar is aluminium and strong enough that I lean on it while I'm working on my motor without a hint of flex. Does the job if you ask me. Why is the carbing design better? Because it has three mounting points, the third joining the strut towers to the body of the car to stop flex in that direction. It's just a better design than any two point bar from any company. PSJDM's bar are a lot cheaper than Carbing and are made for LHD cars, so they don't cover the master cylinder.

Don't get all butthurt about it. It's not like I just spit in your mother's face. I just told you that I didn't think your product was worth the asking price.

Streetwerkz, you are one hell of a condescending ********. You know that? Dude, I'm 29 and far from a kid. And a lot of these kids know a damn lot about these cars. Try coming down off of that high horse some time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nuespeed is not aluminum, so please get your facts straight before you come in here acting all Clint Eastwood and what not. Streetwerkz is a standup dude, and don't feel anything he said was neg. But **** like I wouldn't pay more than $60 for that is, and I don't see where you get off?

 

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Yeah he claims he wouldn't pay more than $60 for it, but yet isn't aware its a three-point piece... i doubt he even looked at the product before proceeding to bash.

 

does this explicit character make front x-members?

im no suspension guru but common sense will tlel you that no matter how beefy the bar, if it has bolted hinges, it can not work. thats a flex point you cant remedy.

i broke one of the ebay ones with my hands. seriously, folded it like a taco and it snapped at about 45 degrees.

 

Yes we make traction bar systems, 2,3,4 pt strut bars, motor mount kits, alternator/tensioner kits...EF,DA,EG,EK,DC...BB...and soon to be CB...if you can imagine it we can probably make it...

It's a simple concept, you take a corner with your car...you think an aluminum strut bar will hold that tower in place more then a steel strut bar, nope. We use square stock because from our research tells us it's stronger...all of our products are hand made and are not stamped out...We picked up my fathers Chevy 3500 crew cab dually with one of our traction bars with the tow hook right in the middle of the traction bar...it held together...with no signs of damage...

We have been building products for high end Honda/Acura's that are running fast times such as 11's 10's in the 1/4 mile. What works for them is the same product the kid down the street is getting...

 

ive only used neuspeed strut bars for both my crx. they work great. fit is good, so good its hard to fit at first. heres a hint, spread the two arms out to fit over the studs easier and work on one side at a time.

for $125 retail, i couldnt imagine spending any more.

i got my first one used for $80 and my last one used for like $25.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive only used neuspeed strut bars for both my crx. they work great. fit is good, so good its hard to fit at first. heres a hint, spread the two arms out to fit over the studs easier and work on one side at a time.

for $125 retail, i couldnt imagine spending any more.

i got my first one used for $80 and my last one used for like $25.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I love mine too, but no worky with the K!

 

That is the other thing, some of the strut bars out there wont work with some swaps and with Integra brake booster and MC. Where as ours are compatible with Integra booster/MC and D,B,F,H and possibly K motors...

 

This is the difference between fabricators and sales people and the reason why most fabricators who try to sell their own products fail. They take it personally when someone says anything about their work. I've been a trained, commissioned, profesional salesman for almost a decade. Rule Number One of low pressure sales, high pressure sales, low dollar sales, high dollar sales, or any combination is this. YOU NEVER TAKE A CUSTOMER'S OPINION OR REJECTION PERSONALLY!!!

Hahaha. Oh no, are you going to kick my ***? I'm so scared. Please Mr. Tough Internet Guy, don't hurt me. You really do think a lot of yourself, don't you? The word "arrogance" comes to mind. Guess what hot shot, I grew up in and around gang violence too. Whoopty do, your net-banging *** doesn't scare me. So don't even try to act hard by even implying you're going to kick my *** if we meet up at a car show. That's some straight up bitchmade ****, right there.

Did I ever say that he did his work while high? No. He smokes at night and on the weekends, instead of knocking back a few brews like most of you probably do, not while he's working. And when you get right down to it, THC impairs motor skills and cooridnation to a level that mimicks being tired instead of turning them to complete and utter **** like alcohol. Thanks for playing.

I said the Carbing three point design is better than any two point design. Thanks for proving my point.

Maybe you missed the part where I said, "NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO EXPLICIT SPEED"? Hey, I understand. It's easy to skip right past things like that when you think you have kind of importance and something to prove. Even though you're just some dipshit behind a computer screen.

The original poster asked for opinions on strut bars. I gave mine. You responded like your ***** was hurting. I never once said it was a bad design. I said that <u>I</u> didn't think it was worth $110. That's this little thing called personal opinion. Neither of you tried to sell the bar to me, you just started talking **** about how the other companies sucked and I was just being bling-blang. We run into the problem here of perceived value versus actual value. You both perceive the value of this product to be much higher than its actual value. And being a salesman, I will gladly pay more for a similar or same product as long as the customer service is better. I don't deal with people who turn into little girls when they're questioned, instead of answering the customer's question in a PROFESSIONAL manner. (Before anyone says it, I'm not trying to sell anything here so it doesn't effect me one way or the other.) Nor do I deal with people who use "bash the competition" as theirs sales technique. If you can't tell me why your product is better without trying to make the other guy look bad, you suck as selling. Learn how to sell.


Yeah? expletive both of you for not reading the entire thread before replying. Autoworks, I was replying to statement that they bend when they, in fact, don't. It doesn't bend because it's a good design.

Again, I gave my opinion. I didn't disrespect until I was disrespected. Yes, I looked at the site before I made my first reply and yes I did miss the 3-point bar for the EF. Forgive me, I'm f-cking human.


See, bullshit flame wars like this are the reason why Honda-Tech gets clowned on so much and why a lot of very informed people won't set foot in this place. Too many ***-clown *********. I'm done with this topic. You girls can lick my nuts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive only used neuspeed strut bars for both my crx. they work great. fit is good, so good its hard to fit at first. heres a hint, spread the two arms out to fit over the studs easier and work on one side at a time.

for $125 retail, i couldnt imagine spending any more.

i got my first one used for $80 and my last one used for like $25.</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2 for the Neuspeed although I got mine for $60 brand new

Explicit's stuff looks good too

 

Guys Guys Guys, we all need to chill...I am not hurt at all and haven't acted as if I was everyone has there own opionion. I don't mind these discussions... Honda-Tech is known for its tasteful opionons ... But for those who do have my product on there car have had nothing but good things to say...I have never had anyone come back and say this was a waste of money and it is a piece of crap...We have sold a lot of strut bars...Don't be shocked if you see our products at the next car show or track event...take a look and you will see...The customers we get are good people looking for a great product at a reasonable price... people will respect the work that is involved in the products we make...they are all hand made...they function better then almost all strut bars out there...

I appreciate all of the customers we have done business with
especially Street Werkz, don't knock him...he sees it like anyone else would at first hand it's a great high end quality product...