hey guys i just bought an integ gsr, i was wondering what type of numbers would a port and polished 3 angle job head, skunk 2 mani, type r throttle body, i/h/e and v-afc would net me. I know this seems like a noob question and it kinda is.....my reasoning is that i don't want to do any major work to the motor, just a few small things to up the power so i can hang with a type r.......if anyone has any suggestions on different mods that will help me to reach my goal, or get me into mid to low 14's they are greatly welcomed. reliablity is a huge issue im not going turbo with this car its my daily driver. Ulitmately id like to be in the 180-195hp to the wheels range. Thanks in advance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by murph040683 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey guys i just bought an integ gsr, i was wondering what type of numbers would a port and polished 3 angle job head, skunk 2 mani, type r throttle body, i/h/e and v-afc would net me. I know this seems like a noob question and it kinda is.....my reasoning is that i don't want to do any major work to the motor, just a few small things to up the power so i can hang with a type r.......if anyone has any suggestions on different mods that will help me to reach my goal, or get me into mid to low 14's they are greatly welcomed. reliablity is a huge issue im not going turbo with this car its my daily driver. Ulitmately id like to be in the 180-195hp to the wheels range. Thanks in advance.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you dont want to do any work...you can stop dreaming....you wont reach anywhere near 180 to the wheels...and wtf are you getting a pnp and a 3 angle valve job for on a stock engine??...seems nobody understands the purposes for port and polish jobs....

 

memphizstylez........why be an ******* about it...why not help other people, you may have some knowlegdge....though it seems not much....the purpose of a forum is to help people not be rude and make yourself look ignorant. A type R makes probably 170 to the wheels......a gsr maybe 160. 20 hp is that hard to find??? maybe it is i don't know, I actually read an artical stating that a simple port and polish with a 3 angle valve job on a STOCK gsr actually helped the car and added some power. Why am i asking...because i don't know dumbass. Yeah maybe i can get cams.......build the head...up the compression....why don't u quit being a dick and suggest something realistic mr i understand the purpose of a port and polish.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by murph040683 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">memphizstylez........why be an ******* about it...why not help other people, you may have some knowlegdge....though it seems not much....the purpose of a forum is to help people not be rude and make yourself look ignorant. A type R makes probably 170 to the wheels......a gsr maybe 160. 20 hp is that hard to find??? maybe it is i don't know, I actually read an artical stating that a simple port and polish with a 3 angle valve job on a STOCK gsr actually helped the car and added some power. Why am i asking...because i don't know dumbass. Yeah maybe i can get cams.......build the head...up the compression....why don't u quit being a dick and suggest something realistic mr i understand the purpose of a port and polish.</TD></TR></TABLE>

howd i be an *******?? by telling you its not possible?? ok ill tell you what you want to hear...yes youll make 180whp with your work....and no a gsr doesnt make 160whp stock...so thats wrong right there....and no again a type r doesnt make 170 whp stock...so thats also incorrect...it takes some work to make those numbers...and i dont care what magazine you read...a port and polish job isnt required on any vtec head to make 180 whp...its just money that could be better spent...

oh and yea...im very ignorant

 

its not about you telling me what i want to hear, up to this point u still haven't given me a constructive answer to my question.........ok it doesn't make 160 stock to the floor....then what does it make.....the port and polish isn't needed on a stock motor...so when is it needed.....money that could be better spent??? on what......u don't know anything bro.........either help or not....why say "that tree needs to be moved".....when u can say where it needs to be moved to. Like i said ignorance. I never even stated that the suggestions i made would get me 180hp....i told u that was my goal and asked what type of power the suggested mods might get me, and what mods i might need for 180-195hp.....to this point u haven't answered anything. You know so much.......but what u don't realize is u know so little. Good luck buddy if you represent honda tech.....then im done, first post and i get drilled forget it.

 

you didnt get drilled...you sound like a little girl crying cause someone told them their plan was flawed...a stock gsr makes in the area of 150 whp...and stop telling me i know nothing....i know a lot more than youd believe...if you want 195whp youre going to need to up that cr...ITR slugs are cheap and effective..also mill that head while its off....then look into a good set of cams...OEM cams can do it (by oem i mean CTR's...my favorite), but with the upped CR you can opt for some skunk stage 1's (the 2's when i worked it out they are ideal for a 12 to 1 cr, lower can still benefit but they perform best with the 12 to 1)..coupled with the right exhaust system (by system im talking about the diameter of the piping, 2.5 is my preference) you can nab 180 whp...without ever porting the head...a head porting is needed when youve reached the maximum flow capacity of the head, which will never happen at 190-180 whp, doing it before when it's need is actually not beneficial to flow and will see minimal gains for large sums of money....and stfu and get out if you dont like my approach...now youve been drilled

 

.....see u do like people really don't you... i may sound like a little girl you sound like a grumpy old man. Maybe im just getting it twisted....no disrespect intended i just wanted some help thats all, i want to learn which is why im here. I appologize for my own ignorance. I know basics.....thats it. ok, now heres a question....if i go with the itr pistons.....why not the itr cams???? are ctr cams more aggressive??? would i need some type of fuel management??? piggyback?? what is milling the head also.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by murph040683 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....see u do like people really don't you... i may sound like a little girl you sound like a grumpy old man. Maybe im just getting it twisted....no disrespect intended i just wanted some help thats all, i want to learn which is why im here. I appologize for my own ignorance. I know basics.....thats it. ok, now heres a question....if i go with the itr pistons.....why not the itr cams???? are ctr cams more aggressive??? would i need some type of fuel management??? piggyback?? what is milling the head also. </TD></TR></TABLE>

you can get the ITR's...but make sure they are 00-01 spec cause those ITR cams are same spec as CTR's...but if you cant find the 00-01 itr cam then any other itr cam is less aggressive. Milling the head is shaving down the contact surface between the head and the deck...it will bump up compression...as for fuel management i stay away from piggybacks at all costs....get yourself a chipped obd1 ecu (p28 since you have a single stage intake manifold and itll be cheaper to find one), what year is your car? cause if its after 1995 youll need to buy an obd2 to obd1 conversion harness in order to run the obd1 ecu

 

memphiz u can be a dick dude what hes trying to say is the number are unrealistic for the little work u wana do and ur whp #"s are a little off and i hate to say it but search u know this topic has bin coverd but im going to have to agree with memphiz on one thing the #s ur expecting are unrealistic and 20 hp isnt easy to find u wont get that with i/h/e

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondacuraLs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">memphiz u can be a dick dude what hes trying to say is the number are unrealistic for the little work u wana do and ur whp #"s are a little off and i hate to say it but search u know this topic has bin coverd but im going to have to agree with memphiz on one thing the #s ur expecting are unrealistic and 20 hp isnt easy to find u wont get that with i/h/e </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lVlemphizStylez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and stfu and get out if you dont like my approach</TD></TR></TABLE>

if being a dick is telling you youre incorrect about something...ill never change....ive yet to get my feelings hurt when someone told me i was wrong and showed me my error

 

its a 2000 gsr.....i can only find the ctr intake came no exhaust ill have to look around a bit more for both.....right now i actually have the oem intake mani, isn't that dual stage??? ok so that sounds straight forward. The itr pistons, with the ctr cams or 00-01 itr cams, im sure ill have to upgrade springs and retainers, and an obd2-1 conversion harness with obd1 p28 ecu.......now when you say chipped ecu would i have to send it out to have it chipped or have it chipped at a tuning shop??? how does that work.

 

you said skunk2 im so i assumed you already had it installed...www.streetlightz.com they have both cams...you dont have to upgrade the intake side if youre keeping the stock redline...the exhaust springs with the ctr exhaust cam may bind...but i know for sure if you keep stock redline the intake side is fine...to get the ecu chipped youll have to buy an obd1 ecu first...then you can send it off to get it socketed by someone (when they socket it they make so it can use a erpom chip and can be hooked up to a datalogging cord) or have them socket it at the place youre going to get it tuned...try phearable.net they sell pre socketed obd1 ecu's, they are a bit pricey but its a convienence issue...

 

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ok what you are doing is what many noobs do when they first get their carr. They assume o well Il slap some parts on here and some lil polishing here and ill have this much more power. This is what we call lego building. You shouldnt really get an itr throttle body and slap it to a skunk2 mani and expect big gains. Your throttle body diameter needs to be the exact same size as the diameter of the skunk2 mani or else you are taking away from the velocity of the air coming into the mani and going through the plenum runners etc. good luck with the build though cause im tired and dont want to walk you through an entire build. also SEARCH!!!!!!!!!