ok, so you can shift a car without the clutch ( rev matching ) can you do the same on a bike, or just upshift without the clutch??? i've done it a few times, just wanna know if its something i should stay away from

 

yes you can do it (upshifting being much more 'safer' than downshifting)

yes you should stay away from it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGlovr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes you can do it (upshifting being much more 'safer' than downshifting)

yes you should stay away from it</TD></TR></TABLE>

If hes got the experience why not?? I do it a LOT

 

I'm too scared to do it.

&lt;--- the clutch is there so I use it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sup gurl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm too scared to do it.

&lt;--- the clutch is there so I use it </TD></TR></TABLE>

Same...not like it takes that much effort to use the clutch.

 

when WOT going straight line it makes a huge difference to do that. aka like a drag strip or wherever else you might do that Using the clutch I highly dislike cause the 2-3, 3-4 shift when using the clutch when WOT is tough cause getting back on it tends to lift the front wheel a little which is scary at 120

 

On track I use the clutch to shift up and I just bang out my downshifts - it's the only way I can keep my the gearbox in order.

On the street I use the clutch up and down. It helps to keep everything nice and smooth.

 

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On the street I use the clutch up and down. It helps to keep everything nice and smooth.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? I find clutchless upshifts very smooth.

 

i did it once cuz just to see what would happen. and the bike felt like a bomb went off. and after that never again

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's the only way I can keep my the gearbox in order.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can't type or read.

I use the clutch for most upshifts, but it's not necessary all the time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mookie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i did it once cuz just to see what would happen. and the bike felt like a bomb went off. and after that never again</TD></TR></TABLE>

you did it wrong. to do it you need to back off the throttle at the same time and it will go smoothly. if you're on it, it will do what you experienced

 

What's the purpose of a clutch? USE IT.

 

I use mine from 1st-2nd and thats about it. I do use it more on downshifts then upshifts.

 

I always use it, just because my bike is real old, but the problem i have is down shifting, usually I'm on the brake, but then i cant' really rev it up to rev match in the gear lower with out letting off the brake and blipping the throttle, i just dont' understnad :S

what does everyone else do approachign stop signs? the only alternatives i can see are clutchless, or using the clutch to rev match (lotsa wear)

 

Blipping/rev-matching while braking takes practice. No one can automatically do it.

When I slow down at a stop sign, I let the clutch out slowly between each shift. There's no real need to blip in this instance.

 

The only time I don't use is if I'm cruising in like 4th or 5th with my left hand on my hip and want to upshift.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marmaladeboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's the purpose of a clutch? USE IT. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The clutch is there for starting from a stop and downshifts....

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by red91sit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what does everyone else do approachign stop signs? the only alternatives i can see are clutchless, or using the clutch to rev match (lotsa wear)</TD></TR></TABLE>

I blip the throttle as im downshifting for some reason. A few years ago i rode with a guy who was amazing and he did it so i started to do it for whatever reason, LOL, and I still do it to this day....

 

Y'all are talking about Heel and Toe but for bikes, right?

 

but, i still dont' understand how you twist the throttle while your squeezing the brake To me i have to left off the brake lever and then blip the throttle.

 

Again, it takes practice to blip the throttle. For me, I maintain pressure on the brake lever using my first finger while rotating my palm and wrist backwards (ie, rolling on throttle). Using your ring and pinky fingers and thumb helps get a better grip on the throttle.

 

Most late model sportbike are going to have dog cut gears, thus it will not hurt the bike upshifting or downshifiting w/o the use of the clutch, watch moto gp, and see how many times they grab the clutch while upshifting. Most drag racers use air shifters which do not use a clutch eaither. Done correctly it will not hurt the bike or tranny w/o using the clutch.

As for why is the clutch there? how else would you take off from a stop?

Correct way to shift w/o the clutch is to, just as you let off the throttle hit the next gear.
Always remember to RPM match when downshifting also kids.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmboostedlude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Done correctly it will not hurt the bike or tranny w/o using the clutch.</TD></TR></TABLE>
And there is the crux of the matter. How many of us can do it correctly, everytime? I would venture a guess that most can not.

 

It’s really extremely easy. Unless you’ve only been riding for a couple months I don’t see why you couldn’t master it. Just put some pressure on the shifter and when you let off the throttle a little it slides right up. The bikes are designed to do that.

And rev matching isn’t necessary if you have a slipper clutch.

And the “clutch is there for a reason, so use it” people probably ride cruisers…

 

I do this sometimes, only from 3rd gear and up though, otherwise it's kinda jerky. It won't upshift unless you let off the gas also. I always use the clutch on downshifts though.

 

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And there is the crux of the matter. How many of us can do it correctly, everytime? I would venture a guess that most can not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Once you get used to doing its VERY easy to do correctly everytime