I'm under construction with my new motor set-up for my turbo car. I'm having an issue with the Intake Manifold bracket that goes under the manifold and bolts to the block. It is interfering with the Z10 block breather plugs for the catch can set-up. My question is it definitely needed or can I get away without it???? Thanks for any help

 

I don't think I have one on my LS...wait yea I don't have it, i think you'de be fine with out it

 

ditch it.

 

Thanks fellas just wanted to make sure before I went ahead and took it out.

 

ya don't need it, but i use it cause i'm ****

 

i removed mine to save weight (yeah i know its not much but every ounce counts u will also be able to get your oil filter off from the top alot easier so u dont have to jack up and crawl under the car for oil change.

 

I've never ran one.... they are ugly. I keep them on other peoples cars and use it to hold up the wiring harness.

 

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never thought of that...i may have to ditch mine next time i pull the motor

 

I don't have one on my z6 in my beater or the sidekick motor in my Samurai. The one on my my k20a I see no reason to remove though. The others were removed due to necesity, the kick motor wouldn't work with the Samurai motor mounts, and the bracket on the z6 wouldn't work with the y8 manifold.

 

i think its pretty important for the longevity of the motor, at least the intake manifold gasket. the IM is just cantilevered out there on a constantly vibrating and torquing engine. its going to stress the studs and cause a leak in the manifold gasket eventually.

but you guys dont seem to care about the longevity of the motor i guess. and im sure itll still work until you get some vacuum or coolant leak and whine about it being the tps or something.

 

hahaha good one tyson...i dont see why you would remove it if you didnt have to

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think its pretty important for the longevity of the motor, at least the intake manifold gasket. the IM is just cantilevered out there on a constantly vibrating and torquing engine. its going to stress the studs and cause a leak in the manifold gasket eventually.

but you guys dont seem to care about the longevity of the motor i guess. and im sure itll still work until you get some vacuum or coolant leak and whine about it being the tps or something. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Went 30XXXkms without one (had to replace the head gasket, never put it back on). Never had an issue. The only issue I had with that engine is I cheaped out and didn't get the head milled, the headgasket blew due to overheating, and the headgasket blew again, but it was an engine that is more then likely in the scrapyard now so it doesnt matter.

 

milled head or not. you just killed your argument you dont need the brace. the head gasket is definately another reason to keep it on.

i understand its a prettty big and heavy piece. perhaps someone can come up with some billet replacement (saves 2 lbs!, theyd sell like bling LCA.... except nobody would see it so nevermind.) but its got a pretty obvious importance to reliability.

 

i got bling LCAs..what are you trying to say

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">milled head or not. you just killed your argument you dont need the brace. the head gasket is definately another reason to keep it on.

i understand its a prettty big and heavy piece. perhaps someone can come up with some billet replacement (saves 2 lbs!, theyd sell like bling LCA.... except nobody would see it so nevermind.) but its got a pretty obvious importance to reliability.</TD></TR></TABLE>


What do you mean you wouldn't see it? It's right on the front of my motor?

 

I can't seem to fit it due to the new catch can oil lines that are -12AN and they are interfering with the end on the stainless line. I guess I'm going to have to go without it unless I can modify it enough to clear.

 

I would think that the full-race ram horn turbo manifold with the turbo and extras mounted up would put more stress on the exhaust studs then an aluminum IM. $.02

They never seem to have problems with those gaskets going or the blowing head gaskets.

 

gee, youve never heard of a turbo'd car blowing a head gasket?


dude, im not saying your car is going to blow up in 3000 miles. im just saying its function is obvious, and it doesnt just sit there and take up space and weight. it has a purpose.

the stock exhaust manifolds are held up by brackets at the front and the rear and underneath the engine too. its just something the engineers designed for reliability.

if you cant fit yours, then fine. im sure you can live without it and sleep in peace at night. just know that its there for a reason.

 

I hear ya tyson...you make a good point but I haven't really heard of mani issuse...if any from someone not using that bracket, my motor didn't have it when i did my swap...Maybe after 100,000miles there might be a problem, who knows but most Honda owners blow there motor up or swap in another before then anyways

 

have you considered the middle of the road solution? grind off the area that is rubbing if you can't redirect your lines. also, i think well placed holes drilled into that brace would lighten it up, but still keep it strong enough to do its job. honda spends millions designing this crap, and until someone spends that much to prove ya don't need it, mine stays. my 2 cents

 

I agree one hundreed %
Definitely there for a reason, just cant fit mine and was wondering what people thought about it. Thanks for the info.

 

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Well I have over 110k on my B16, it's been in 4 of my cars now w/o a rebuild and had lots of road racing, drag racing and even pizza delivery miledge!!! I took my brace off when I swapped cause of all the already listed issues. I have not had a single problem and my buddy who told me that I could do w.o it has removed them on many many swaps, never had a problem either. Yes I am sure that it has purpose as does everything else on the car that Honda originally designed but I am just saying in my personal experience I have never had or seen a problem with removing it. so i say just take that bitch off and trash it!

 

i'm willing to bet there are more people w/o the brace that don't have problems than we think. i know tons of people who don't use it and have no problems.

 

Four years no problem on my ZC. I put around 75,000 miles on this engine.

My buddy that helped me with the swap has been running w/out them on several of his cars for god knows how long. Late nineties.

Longevity is probably my biggest concern, up there with effeciency. If I ever have a problem, I'll be sure to retract this opinion. But I just don't see it happening. There's always someone here with a cautionary tale. Remember when people were scouring their floor boards, and a bunch of people suggested that removing the little adhesive near the edges would cause instability? Then the whole thread blew up in a panic. Let's see some evidence!

 

i agree it should be kept.

in my opinion, the reason it's there is because of people leaning on the intake manifold.

think of this:

it's similar to the plastic radiators on our cars. the intake bolts to them, which is fine. but people working on the car tend to lean on it, stressing and cracking the radiator. i've seen it happen many times, including on my own car.

if people put too much stress on the intake manifold, it could easily damage the studs.