For those of you that do, what is the best way to hit a turns at high speeds? I just wanna know what would be the best way. I just figured out today that using the ebrake is a bad way, especially in the rain. In fact I think the ebrake sucks *** in the rain, everytime I have had used it, in the rain, I ended up sliding about 10 feet.

Also what exactly is 4ws? I know its a computer that helps control the turning and it is one of the best, but I just want some in depth detail. I don't plan on drifting any time soon, but is it possible to drift with it? If it is, is it help or make it worse for the lude?


[Modified by SleepingPrelude, 9:15 PM 4/21/2002]

 

4WS (4 wheel steering) aka. articulating steering

the way this thing works is while the front wheels steer like normal the rear wheels will turn slightly, BUT in the opposite direction as the front wheels.

ie. you turn the steering wheel hard left, the front wheels go left, but the rear wheels go slightly right. this causes the car to make a slightly tighter turn.


[Modified by BlueShadow, 1:49 AM 4/22/2002]

 

actually, the way 4 wheel steering works (at least in a 3rd gen) is...

when you turn the wheel less than 90 degrees, the rear wheels turn the same way as the front wheels (for things like changing lanes)...

when you turn the wheel more than 90 degrees, the rear wheels turn the opposite way as the front wheels, up to 5 degrees...

if you want to take a corner hard, make sure you downshift so that when you come out of the corner your revs are high enough that you are in the power band so you can speed out of the corner. while in the corner, i use the brakes lightly (i have to feel it all out as i'm taking to corner to decide how much to brake). most of my slowing down, i do right before i hit the turn...

 

I don't remember making this a thread a poll. By the way I was in an empty parking lot when I was doing this. When I panic I use both of my brakes to make a stop. Now I know not to do that in the rain. I'm just learning from my mistakes now so I know what to do in the real situation.

 

I know the 4ws system is diffrent between the 3g and 4g prelude. In a 3rd gen it is mechanical. That means that it works at any speed, and the rear wheels turn in the same proportion as your steering wheel is being turned (does that make sense?, I hope), In a 4th gen, the 4ws system is computer controlled. That means it decides how much to turn the rear wheels depending on your speed, turning rate, and various other factors. Although I've never driven either of the 4ws prelude models, I heard its useless when you really need it. In a 3rd gen, it can be dangerous at high speeds because it can de-stabilize you if the rear of the car moves. And in a 4th gen, it more or less turns off after 30-40 mph. Its great for parallel parking though. But anyway, that is why they got rid of 4ws and replaced it with ATTS...which rocks by the way. Though I still wish I had a Quaife.

P.S. The only time you should use the e-brake is when you are parked. Locking the rear wheels makes your rear loose traction, which explains those 10ft slides. You are far better off powering out of a corner in 2nd gear, this is where an LSD really helps, as opposed to 4ws. Hope it helps.

 

This is the stupidest poll I've ever seen. There's two lines around the turn.. One, 4 wheel drift, however the number of people able to accomplish this is on this board is in the single digit numbers. Two, take it as far as you can outside, clip the apex, and accelerate progressively out. However, since it's a FWD once you get the wheels in the direction that you want to end the turn at you can floor it.

 

I agree that this poll is rediculous, when taking a turn you never ......ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, pull the e-brake unless you plan on either burning up your tires while it's dry, or sliding into your nearest guardrail when wet. Hell, to corner correctly you don't want to use any sort of braking while turning. Also, you never want to yank the e-brake when in an emergency braking situation either, that'll just make you slide into the object your trying to hit. The e-brake is the emergency brake, in other words an emergency only, mechanical backup for your hydraulically powered brakes.
4 wheel drifts aren't that hard to do but they are a little disconcerting when you get it right the first couple of times. It's an odd feeling to have the entire car start sliding towards the exit of the turn at high speeds, whereas most are used to either pushing the front or fishtailing the rear end.

 

I didnt mean to make this a poll, I just wanted peoples opinions, sorry about that.

 

When I move out I plan on moving to the mountains, so I'm worried about braking right and turning. I don't plan on going fast up there I just want to be on the safe side when I'm going downhill. For the people that think I'm an idiot for using the ebrake, now I know, thats why I came here and asked. I thought it was for emergenys thats why I used it.

Sometimes when I brake really hard, the brake pedal makes a grumbling noise and my brakes feel loose and goes in a little farther than normal. The grumbling noise can also be heard a when I first start my car and start moving. I have no clue what that is. Also, when I first start it my red SRS led goes out when the grumble noise is heard. Anyone else have that problem?

 

When going down long, steep hills, just keep the car in a lower gear and let off of the gas, if you need to break then do so. Just dont let the car over-rev. This is a technique called engine braking. The engine itself will keep the car from simply rolling downhill faster and faster. You should be doing this anyway, if you drive a five speed, wenever you are decelerating. It will save your brake pads and keep your rotors from overheating.

When taking a corner at any speed, brake before the turn, leave the car in the gear that will be used to accelerate out of the turn. Take the corner and accelerate smooothly as you are halfway passed the apex (corner) of the turn. Don't brake during a corner, don't let off of the gas suddenly during a corner, and don't try and downshift mid-corner, doing this will upset the balance of the car and send you into a guardrail. If the car starts to either over or understeer, just push on the gas more and steer towards the direction you want to go.

Like I said, the e-brake is for emergencies like, your normal (the pedal in the middle) brakes not working.

I feel like I'm teaching someone to drive here.
This grumbling when you press your brakes in is a technical wonder called ABS. Anti Lock Brakes will pulse the brake force so that your wheels don't stop moving completely (locking up) and you don't go sliding all over the road. It is normal for the pedal to travel farther and the quickest way to stop is just by pushing harder on the brakes. You don't want to pump the brakes and definately don't ever yank on the e-brake; this defeats the purpose of ABS.

Your SRS light goes out? Isn't the SRS light your airbags? If so it shouldn't be on in the first place, I would worry if mine were on and I'd recommend getting that checked out. If you mean however, that it lights up and then turns off, just as your oil pressure light, water temp, battery light etc.., do then It's normal and that's what it should do. I hope this helps.

 

Thanks a lot, this helps but isn't really what I'm looking for. I was hoping you might tell me the advance techniques like the left foot breaking. I know the basics already, I'm just looking for the different advance techniques that other people might use.

I think my SRS is messed up if you say it supposed to go out with the oil and water etc.. It only goes out until I actually start moving. I'll get that checked on.


[Modified by SleepingPrelude, 9:24 PM 4/22/2002]

 

Heel-Toeing? Uhh it's kinda hard to teach someone to drive over the net but do a search, I remember someone covering heel toe shifting in very extensive detail. I don't feel like typing that much.

 

i wish i could remember the site that tells exactly what to do when heal toe-ing...oh well...

anyway, you shouldn't really engine break all that much unless you have a performance clutch or feel like replacing your clutch often. sure engine breaking is fun and can allow you to drive much harder, but it's hell on your clutch...i suggest if you're going to engine break, practice rev-matching first. if you get that down just right, you'll make your clutch much happier...

 

NEVER USE THE E-BRAKE while driving!! Simple as that, its dangerious, period...

Fastest way around a corner is to work up to it, start slow, hitting your entry, apex, and exits.. On a FWD car you will want to late apex a bit more, if you dont' know what a apex is, read a "how to drive fast" book..

 

E-brake in the snow is pretty damn fun, tho!

 

I can't stand how you mess things around. The fact is that in 3gen 4WS is mechanical and in 4+ gen is electronic. The way 4WS works is: while you're below 40km/h (25mph) the rear wheels turn the opposite direction than front ones. It helps you to park. While your speed is more than 25mph the rear wheels turn the same direction as front wheels. It helps to make better turns. Both systems work all the time. They change mechanical solution to electronic one to loose the weight and obtain the bigger rear wheels turn angle. That's all. 4WS doesn't play with ATTS or LSD anyhow.
greetz
pentaq

 

This is as good an explanation as any.
http://www.ferrariclub.com/faq/heeltoe.html



Dave

 

my 92 4WS was awesome, that **** saved my *** sooooo many times, its almost impossible to get the car sideways with 4WS. And it makes parking in downtown a whole hell of a lot easier.

 

I heard people said driving a 4ws feels weird when making a turn.

 

You people should've quit reading after this. I know I did.

Now, let this thing die slowly and give it a lily on it's way down.