hello dudes, I understand this isn't a really big swap for you, but for me it's a freakin'huge one mkay

I own a Honda Civic 1.6 16v 4th gen

stock :
D16z2/a6 engine
MPFI
lambda
etc.

I already have the A9 engine, it's one with a lambda, I heard swapping was piece of cake, so I started, of corse it turned out to be more difficult then I first thought but that's just the way it is.


With the package came the Ecu, Driveshafts,and Tranny all from the same engine. So that's an advantage.

here's a pic of it.



more or less I have 3 hard questions I want to ask you since people on other forums can't reply and confirm stuff I turned to honda tech , English isn't my 1st language so understanding technical english is not my first choice


oke, first question




People I spoke to told me that I need to fit the CRX wire tree the D16a9 was from, because my original didn't work with the ECU and the d16a9 engine. But I checked all the fittings&connectors and also the Colors of the cables, what turned out.

They where exactly 100% the same as the D16a9 one, allt he fittings and colors of the main main engine wire tree where exactly the same, so that shouldn't be a problem right!? PLEASE CONFIRM THIS!

2nd question

I understand I cannot just hook the cables up like with the D16z2/a6 , I heard two sensors are on the second camshaft on the A9 engine, can someone please tell me with words or(and) pictures wich cable's I need to adjust, or lengthen or cook, or bake, or BQQ , heelp

third question

A little box in the right high corner of the engine bay that is connected by a little Wire tree coming out of my civic that leads to the Fuel rail? Injectors? and next to the main engine wire tree has a round fitting.. with 8 wires

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but the D16a9 engine has the connection by 6 cables with a square fitting!!



Who has a solution to this problem?


anyone who's willing to help me, i'll pray for

 

the D16A9 is the same engine as the JDM DOHC ZC and installing it in your Civic should be the same as installing the DOHC ZC into a USDM 4th gen Civic - you need to swap the entire engine wiring harness from the 1.6 engine that was in your car onto the D16A9 - all of the connections for the sensors, etc. will plug right in, with one exception which is the distributor connector - the ignition distributor on your original engine has 2 connectors, one round 2-wire connector and one round 7-wire connector - the distributor on the D16A9 has one round 2-wire connector and one square 5-wire connector - you need to take the square 5-wire connector from your A9 engine wiring harness and swap it onto the other harness, which you will be using, to replace the round 7-wire connector - when swapping it , you just match the wire colors in the connector for the engine harness with the wire colors in the connector on the distributor - you will have 2 wires left over when you swap connectors, one blue with yellow stripe and one blue with green stripe - you need to add a short length of wire to these 2 wires so that they will reach the Cylinder Position Sensor which is on the end of the exhaust camshaft - the silver thing just in front of the distributor in your first picture, with the green connector - cut the green 2-wire connector off the A9 engine harness and connect the 2 wires to it, again matching the wire colors

 

ehr, thank you JLicrx, but I still don't understand it all, I think it's because the language and talks. I don't know if it's hard but can you answer each question individually?



So I can keep my original Engine wiring tree, no need to swap the CRX engine wiring tree in it ?


I still don't exactly know how I figure the difference between the connectors on the metal box out, the round one from the civic and the square one from the A9.







so if you can tell me that :D


oke, the next thing, you where talking about the exception of the distributor connector and all, I think you mean the fittings of the ignition, that's another story, can you please look at this, I think it isn't an original a9 connector but a Z5 one, one of ther newer models of the 1.6 16v DOHC engines.

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the wiring needs to be refitted, can you help me with that dude?

 

someone?

 

thats the distributor wiring

 

thanks for the layout, but can you tell me by the picture above how I will fix it, cus I mensioned in a post above I have a different ingition ( I thinks it's from an d16z5 engine, it misses the conductor the A9 one has )

I know I am asking a lot people, but I have to learn


+ I must know how I fix the problem of the square connector v.s the round one from my car out.


Modified by puk at 1:36 PM 7/16/2006

 

i hate to tell you guys but the d16a9 is far far from the same engine as the dohc ZC, yes they're both dual cam d-series motors but thats about all they share in common. the engine mounts are all different than any other d series because its meant to bolt into the 1st gen teg chassis, and i don't think anyone makes a mount kit for these engines so the only way your getting it into your car is if you weld up some mounts. i also believe the bell housings are different and you can only use the 1st gen teg tranny on them which you can't do anyway again because of the mounts. the head is different from a ZC, as is the crank and block. do a search on this motor maybe you can find out some more info there.

 

dude , I know that the A9 is completely different than the ZC , I never said they where the same


lucky for me, the d16a9 is a perfect fit in the engine mounts of my original D16z2, but can please anyone help me further ?


I posted some pics, can someone describe me on the pictures witch wires I need to expletive with , and how I solve the problem of the Round connecter v.s the D16a9's square connector


thanks!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by godruler &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hate to tell you guys but the d16a9 is far far from the same engine as the dohc ZC, yes they're both dual cam d-series motors but thats about all they share in common. the engine mounts are all different than any other d series because its meant to bolt into the 1st gen teg chassis, and i don't think anyone makes a mount kit for these engines so the only way your getting it into your car is if you weld up some mounts. i also believe the bell housings are different and you can only use the 1st gen teg tranny on them which you can't do anyway again because of the mounts. the head is different from a ZC, as is the crank and block.</TD></TR></TABLE> i hate to tell you this, but you don't know **** - the 1st gen Integra engine is a D16A1 and is not like a D16A9 - the D16A9 is the same as the JDM DOHC ZC from 88-91 Civic and CRX and is just the European designation for the same engine - here is page from the service manual for 1988 UK CRX



<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by godruler &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do a search on this motor maybe you can find out some more info there.</TD></TR></TABLE>good advice - maybe you should try it



Modified by jlicrx at 12:20 PM 7/17/2006

 

mate, thank you for sharing that information, but can you please stay ontopic, I am really stuck with that problem

I think I posted enough photographs , or do you all need more pictures?


you know what kind of engine it is,
what kind of ecu I got

what kind of engine originally is mounted in my Ed7 ( d16z2 with MPFI, like they all have )


that the main engine wiring tree fits the D16a9 ECU and D16a9 engine, but I don't know exactly where to look for the cables I need to adjust,

don't think I am a lazy person who wants everything done by others, it's just..

lét's compare it with cooking, I have a cooking book, but only a real good cook can make his guests a really a good mail, doesn't matter if you have the recept for the dinner or not


thanks!

 

install the engine wiring harness (tree) from your D16Z2 onto the D16A9 the only wiring changes you need to do are at the ignition distributor - everything else plugs right in - your D16Z2 distributor connectors should look like this:



the distributor connectors on the D16A9 should look like this:



you need to remove the connector from the D16A9 tree and install it on the D16Z2 tree so that it will plug into the A9 distributor connector

 

does this help?

D16A9 is de zelfde motor zoals JDM DOHC ZC en installeren van het in uw Burger zou het zelfde moeten zijn als installerend DOHC ZC in een USDM vierde Burger gen - u moet de volledige motor bedradingsuitrusting van motor ruilen 1,6 die in uw auto op D16A9 was - de elk van verbindingen voor de sensoren, zal enz. net in, met één uitzondering stoppen die de verdelersschakelaar - de ontstekingsverdeler op uw originele motor heeft 2 schakelaars, één ronde schakelaar met 2 draden en één ronde 7-draad schakelaar - de verdeler op D16A9 heeft één ronde schakelaar met 2 draden en één vierkante 5-draad schakelaar - u het vierkant moeten nemen is re 5-wire connector from your A9 engine wiring de uitrusting en ruilt het op de andere uitrusting, die u zult gebruiken, om ronde de 7-draad schakelaar te vervangen - wanneer het ruilen van het, past u enkel de draadkleuren in de schakelaar voor de motoruitrusting met de draadkleuren in aan de schakelaar op de verdeler - u zult 2 over verlaten draden wanneer u schakelaars ruilt, één blauw met gele streep en één blauw met groene streep hebben - u moet een korte lengte van draad aan deze 2 draden toevoegen zodat zij de Sensor van de Positie van de Cilinder die op het eind van de uitlaatnokkenas is - het zilveren ding enkel voor de verdeler in uw eerste beeld, met zullen bereiken connector van A9 motor verbindt de uitrusting en de 2 draden met het, opnieuw aanpassend de draadkleuren

 

Thank you dudes! That translation to my own language is very nice of you!


I can almost follow everything now, but please take a look to my situation about my ignition, I think you read to fast

look! this is the situation! only one square, the round is gone! ( i think it's cuz it's another kind of ignition, maybe from a z5




the other thing is!


not everything just clicks in!

this connecter doesn't follow my orders!


My civic cable




the D16a9 cable




problem : my civic = round 8 cables d16a9 = square with 6 cables


all cables match except a blue and a black/yellow one



sorry again guys

 

1. verwijder de volledige draadboom uit de A9 motor

2. verwijder de volledige draadboom uit de Z2 motor

zij zullen als dit kijken:



3. installeer Z5 boom op A9 motor - nu zal verbinden

4. mist u dit?

 

oke , first JLIcrx you'r a n00b swappers dream,


so I use the Engine wiring from the Z2 for the A9!

Then I connect the right wires for the ignition and done is the job?


and to answer your second question, Yes i miss that connection.. !

I still have an old d16z2 ignition somewhere if I search good. do I have to use that one or isnt't it a big problem I miss that one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by puk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so I use the Engine wiring from the Z2 for the A9!</TD></TR></TABLE>

correct

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by puk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Then I connect the right wires for the ignition and done is the job?</TD></TR></TABLE>

correct

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by puk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and to answer your second question, Yes i miss that connection.. !

I still have an old d16z2 ignition somewhere if I search good. do I have to use that one or isnt't it a big problem I miss that one. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you need to use the A9 ignition distributor - Z2 won't work

 

maak weg en neem stop los



installeer op Z5 boom
5 draden zullen gelijke kleuren - beide kanten van verbinding
2 draden zullen over worden verlaten - 1 blauw met groene streep en 1 blauw met gele streep - verleng deze draden - om de cilindersensor te bereiken
verwijder groene stop uit A9 boom



installeer op de 2 draden - de kleur evenaart kleur

hoop de vertaling is correct

 

ontbrekend stuk - gebruik 1 van Z2 ontstekingsverdeler

blauw = blauw - zwarte met gele streep = zwarte met gele streep

 

My god, when you reach holland by boat I'll be waiting with a Dutch blonde-blue eyes bride & some wooden shoes baby! there's a ferry going tomorrow

love you dude!

 

vereis meer hulp - verzend E-mail

 

haha, you use a good translating machine.
thank you for your help!


I'll use E-mail!

thanks