alright here is my dilema.... i put a b18a1 in my car bout 2 months ago.... come to find out the throw out bearing is bad, and i need a new head gasket... the motor has bout 102,000 miles on it.... a friend offered me his b16a with gsr cams for a good price and i just use my LS tranny and clutch along with my brand new mounts...

i know the Ls has more torque than a b16 but the b16 has alot more top end... from what i understand a b16 in my crx will just smash especially with a few upgrades...

just want other peoples opinions....
thx

 

the only throw out bearing I know of is the one that goes with the shift fork inside the tranny. You know, theres are many threads just like this one all over HT. If you only took the time to search and read a little, you would know what you want. Another thing, the LS tranny with a b16 is a bad combo because of the gears being longer.

 

LS all the way

 

ok i have a b16a in my crx and my friend has a 88 hatch ls and me and him race all the time. this is just me but i think the ls is better just because u can ls/vtec and realy gain some power. i all ways hav to catch the hatch and i have a 7.5lb flywheel and cold air. the ls just has a cluth and cold air, minor chip and we both have y1 tranny (lsd). but the b16 in more reliable so its up to u. i wouldn't trade my b16 for any thing but a b18c, h22,k20 just cause i like the sound of the vtec ooooooo man i love it but a ls handles a tubro good. the hatch is about to be a ls/vtec w/ itr pistons, skunk 2 throttle body, intake man,cam, springs, cam gears, header so i wont stand a chance.

so its up to u and what ur plans r.

 

my vote goes for b18b1

a b16 with an LS transmission isn't exactly ideal. There is a reason b16 transmissions are geared so short.

 

LS motor

 

hey i was just wondernig how many horses does a ls vtech have? not modded or anything just the vtech head and ls block. im just cerious

 

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It won't be not modded if it's an lsvtec that simple.

If you mean a bare bones b16head ls block setup on ls pistons and rod. probbly like 150-160WHP.

You can't have a stock lsvtec please don't say that it's a nickpick thing of me.

 

IF u were to do a ls/vtec u wouldn't just put the head on. ( u can but 2 me thats scary) a stock ls isn't balance as good as a b16a. i would have the hole rotating assembly balance with the fly and put new rings and bearing different pistons maybe some ctr's and ls/vtec are made for torque so the 150hp w/ 140 torque maybe. cr/vtec 20block they make alot of torque. ls/vtec can get $$$ thats why i like b16, b18c most of the balancing is done and most b16 and b18c that r jdm have lower mileage too. does ur ls burn oil cause of bad rings? if so do u have the time and money to rering it? b16 might but i dought it.

i would think really hard on this one before u just jump in to a trade like this.
everyone has there own opinion but ur's make all the difference

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by si90rex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IF u were to do a ls/vtec u wouldn't just put the head on. ( u can but 2 me thats scary) a stock ls isn't balance as good as a b16a. i would have the hole rotating assembly balance with the fly and put new rings and bearing different pistons maybe some ctr's and ls/vtec are made for torque so the 150hp w/ 140 torque maybe. cr/vtec 20block they make alot of torque. ls/vtec can get $$$ thats why i like b16, b18c most of the balancing is done and most b16 and b18c that r jdm have lower mileage too. does ur ls burn oil cause of bad rings? if so do u have the time and money to rering it? b16 might but i dought it.

i would think really hard on this one before u just jump in to a trade like this.
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exactly I try to stress this alot but I still made my lsvtec pretty darn nice for pretty little $$.

I'm just happy to see people agree

 

i'm not saying u can't do it with little amount of cash, i have seen some nice ls/vtecs 240hp,250,260hp all motor this is on stock fuel systems no injector fpr, or fuel pumps. it just do thing right the first time. this guy i knew had a ls/vtec with pr3 pistons and reringed it and put a header on had the motor less than 6 months and spun a rod bearing. now after all that work for nothin becasue he didn't take his time he just rushed throught it and did thing it all throw. he had the piston out and choose not to put new rod bearings in its like 80 buck for new rod bearings.

do a lot of research on this one. the kid that has the b16a did he hardass the motor did he get it from someone else, just ask ur self simple question like whats been done to the motor. that type on thing

 

LS

 

i have a b16 and my friend JR has an LS in his 99 si and its the **** around here. well aside from the few turbo teggys

 

Get VTEC!

 

b16 all the way.. u need that vtec. LS is wack..

 

ls isn't wack, there good but i feel a b16 is more aggressive than an ls. and ls sounds like a stock motor. b16a sound stock befor vtec but then it turns into a moster when that vtec kicks in. would u rather be a head and stay a head (ls)or be back about a car and catch up to who ever ur racing and then past them (b16a). b16a makes it look like ur toying with someone, and a ls just gets ahead and gets caught in the end.

but that stock i think ur going to get more out of a b16 than an ls. plus b16's where made to race and to turn high rpms ls aren't but turbo an ls and wow enough said!

once again what are ur future plans. turbo, N/A, super charge, n2o?

 

alright well i plan to go all motor... lol... i decided to shoo away from Ls/vtec becuz ive had so many friends with complications... my ls is in my crx now and it needs a head gasket, new throw out bearing and well the wish bone mount somehow snapped of the block yesterday lol... so i decided to get it over with and i bought a b16a with 40 thousand miles on it for 800$ from a shop.... i plan to stick all motor.... for my ls i had skunk2 pro series, header intake... my h/e/i will all transfer over so i just need a new manifold again and prolly some kick *** cams but i dont know what to get as far as thos... what u guys think??? ctr, gsr or some stage 2 after markets??? yes i know im using a ls tranny but i have friends using gsr tannies on their b16a s and they still dip and they are similar gearing.... who knows lol... i know my exedy stage 1 clutch grabs like hell and that has only 2 thousand miles on it...


anyway keep comments coming lol

 

Personally I myself am going LS/TURBO in my EF hatch. I found it more cost effective than all-motor, for the reason that all-motor is limited to the amount of horsepower and they dont really build all that much torque. I also found it pretty cost effective and people that I know that have been all motor for a while are bored with it. LS/VTEC if built right bone stock can make 170WHP. The rods need to be addressed at the least in a LS/VTEC build. I suggest a set of ARP rod bolts due to the fact of the higher RPMS that are going to be reached. And with the B16 on the LS trans. DONT!!!. You will always fall out of vtech due to the gearing. Buy another LS block put it in, build up a mild block and BBBOOOOOOOSSSSSTTTTTT! SORRY ITS SO LONG

 

DUDE that stuff shouldnt fit on your b16 because the heads are setup differently on a B18 and B16. I hope you got a good deal because the parts you needed to fix the LS arent that expensive and that B16 could fall apart in a month! Your money Your choice hope your happy.

 

This post has already been made 100 times previous and no one ever agreees on the answer. Just do some research and decide what you're going to do with your car because the B16 and the LS are two drastically different motors in terms of direction. LS Turbo set ups can put down lots of power for not a lot of money, but aren't nearly as drivable as a B16. Plain LS swaps in my opinion are bland and the LS tranny is definitely nothing to brag about.

 

i used to have a ls in my 89 hatch and i loved it currently i have a b16a in it and i also have a ls tranny hooked to it.. just to let you know its a bad combo the gears and never ending and you have no real power gain.. straight ls with ls tranny is the way to go.. esp. with a turbo on it..

 

I must have missed something. You have a bad head gasket and throw out bearing and you want to replace the entire engine? Why not buy the 70 dollar head gasket and send the head out to be machined?

 

stock for stock i think the LS is a better choise for daily driving. my buddy used to have a CX bubble with LS and LS tranny, and basic bolt ons, my other buddy has a Vx Bubble with a b16 and b16 tranny, w/ I/H/E and the LS hatch would walk the b16 every single time, from a stop or from a roll it did'nt matter. I think yeah once you start modding the two motors the b16 might be a better choice as they make better of mods than LS's do. but another thing to consider is if you have a b16 swap your gonna be revving at like 4k+ in 5th at anything over like 70 mph and you have to use premium gas all the time. An LS revs way lower for daily driving and you can get away with 87 octane if its not some crazy high compression motor.

 

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this is true but with a b16 thats fine vtec hasn't even kicked on yet. plus take it from me, my friends hatch was a ls w/ a Y1 tranny Lsd, and my b16aw/ lsd Y1. we had the same trannys and ls is going to suck more gas because its doesn't have the choice about vtec. 3800 w/ a b16a is like 4500 with an ls. if an ls redlines @ 6800 and a b16a is 8200 than 4k with a b16a is nothin u still have 4200 before redline.
an ls would only have 2k. plus to make an ls worth any thing u need lsd. what power if u can't control it. ls trannys blow. i would go with a hydro lsd tranny because if it ever misses up which it well if u race it, parts a hard to find for jdm parts especailly if its cable.

 

Ha ha I think I see a new thread like this every other day

I always say LS&gt;B16, many reasons, yea B16 makes more power stock, but the LS is so easy to find, between my one friend and myself we have had between 6 or 7 within the last couple months, you can easily boost them to 300hp, the B16 has mad tyte VtEc and if you try to build and all motor B16 have fun hitting 200hp, also you have any CEL have fun in limp mode without Vtec for DD I would say LS...if you decide between Boosted LS, D series or whatever I would go stock B16, simply for reliability...I myself and addicted to boost so I rock a boosted Mazda aas a DD and my LS turbo CRX is my project, but do whatever you want and i don't think $800 was a good deal for a B16 unless it was so mint you could eat off it, espcially if its an OBD0 B16