H23 crank vs H22 crank?
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (MadCityLude)
h23 crank=+5mm stroke=more displacement.
yes they are swappable.
if your building a high comp. n/a motor im assuming you want to make as much power as possible.........yes, go w/ the h23 crank.
yes they are swappable.
if your building a high comp. n/a motor im assuming you want to make as much power as possible.........yes, go w/ the h23 crank.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (pentaq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h23 crank=+5mm stroke=more displacement.
yes they are swappable.
if your building a high comp. n/a motor im assuming you want to make as much power as possible.........yes, go w/ the h23 crank.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So I can just drop in an H23 crank with no modification to the rest of the engine? Would it still use the same bearings? Anything else I would need to do? (besides getting it balanced?)
yes they are swappable.
if your building a high comp. n/a motor im assuming you want to make as much power as possible.........yes, go w/ the h23 crank.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So I can just drop in an H23 crank with no modification to the rest of the engine? Would it still use the same bearings? Anything else I would need to do? (besides getting it balanced?)
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (pentaq)
So if I do want to use my H22 rods and the H23 crank with some type S pistons, what do I need to check for or watch for? Anything?
Anyone with building experience please let me know if there are any issues you know of or that could arise!
Thanks
Anyone with building experience please let me know if there are any issues you know of or that could arise!
Thanks
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (MadCityLude)
u need to clay the pistons to be sure you have ample piston valve clearance. Type S pistons and a long stroke will surely put a large bump in the compression.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (98vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u need to clay the pistons to be sure you have ample piston valve clearance. Type S pistons and a long stroke will surely put a large bump in the compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Can anyone tell me for sure if this will be an issue! Thanks
Can anyone tell me for sure if this will be an issue! Thanks
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (MadCityLude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MadCityLude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if I do want to use my H22 rods and the H23 crank with some type S pistons, what do I need to check for or watch for? Anything?
Anyone with building experience please let me know if there are any issues you know of or that could arise!
Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you want to do it that way then use h23 rods. the piston will still come out of the hole a little (.010) but way less than w/ the h22 rods. plus they have the oil galleys through them unlike the h22 rods.
i have done this before but w/ h22 je 11.5:1 pistons. comp. ended up being 13:1-13.5:1. MAKE SURE YOU TAKE NO MORE THAN A TOTAL OF .005 OFF OF THE HEAD/BLOCK TOGETHER AND RUN AT LEAST THE FACTORY .030 GASKET.
if you have to take more than that off the head/block then you can use a thicker gasket from cometic. you will end up w/ about 13:1 comp.
yes you can use the same bearings. goodluck w/ your build
Anyone with building experience please let me know if there are any issues you know of or that could arise!
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if you want to do it that way then use h23 rods. the piston will still come out of the hole a little (.010) but way less than w/ the h22 rods. plus they have the oil galleys through them unlike the h22 rods.
i have done this before but w/ h22 je 11.5:1 pistons. comp. ended up being 13:1-13.5:1. MAKE SURE YOU TAKE NO MORE THAN A TOTAL OF .005 OFF OF THE HEAD/BLOCK TOGETHER AND RUN AT LEAST THE FACTORY .030 GASKET.
if you have to take more than that off the head/block then you can use a thicker gasket from cometic. you will end up w/ about 13:1 comp.
yes you can use the same bearings. goodluck w/ your build
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (Missing Gears)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if you want to do it that way then use h23 rods. the piston will still come out of the hole a little (.010) but way less than w/ the h22 rods. plus they have the oil galleys through them unlike the h22 rods.
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To compensate is it best to have custom rods or custom pistons to put you back at 0 deck?
if you want to do it that way then use h23 rods. the piston will still come out of the hole a little (.010) but way less than w/ the h22 rods. plus they have the oil galleys through them unlike the h22 rods.
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To compensate is it best to have custom rods or custom pistons to put you back at 0 deck?
Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (AznBlueBoy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AznBlueBoy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they dont make eagle rods for h23 though do they?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope, and from what I heard they don't plan to either.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To compensate is it best to have custom rods or custom pistons to put you back at 0 deck?</TD></TR></TABLE>
If ur getting custom anything, then get custom pistons with a shorter compression height, then use H22 rods and have a better rod/stroke.
Nope, and from what I heard they don't plan to either.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To compensate is it best to have custom rods or custom pistons to put you back at 0 deck?</TD></TR></TABLE>
If ur getting custom anything, then get custom pistons with a shorter compression height, then use H22 rods and have a better rod/stroke.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (98vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to a point maybe. The higher it goes, the more its going to be off balance.......</TD></TR></TABLE>
incorrect, unless your talking about revving past 12k. have you ever checked a honda crank or several of them?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To compensate is it best to have custom rods or custom pistons to put you back at 0 deck?</TD></TR></TABLE>
you may want to read/understand what he is saying before you post. custom pistons=$$ and sleeving. ALOT of people run this setup w/ 0 problems. have you ever tried it? and have you ever ordered custom rods??????
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AznBlueBoy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they dont make eagle rods for h23 though do they?
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no, and for those of you worrying about factory cranks being balanced and pistons coming out of the hole .010, i would hate to see the look on you guys face if you ever have the chance to bring some eagle rods to a GOOD machine shop and measure/spec them. ever heard of bend/twist????? yes they will do the job sometimes, and yes they are worth every penny you pay for them
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Nope, and from what I heard they don't plan to either.
If ur getting custom anything, then get custom pistons with a shorter compression height, then use H22 rods and have a better rod/stroke.
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another incorrect answer, im guessing this is also just info that you have heard and not tried for yourself.
if you ever do bother to order a set of custom pistons for this application you will learn that the wristpin height is changed, not the dome height.
you are correct about rod/stroke, but again this guy isnt looking to sleeve or spend alot of $$. which means no custom pistons. and he doesnt have to to have a good/reliable h series setup.
incorrect, unless your talking about revving past 12k. have you ever checked a honda crank or several of them?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To compensate is it best to have custom rods or custom pistons to put you back at 0 deck?</TD></TR></TABLE>
you may want to read/understand what he is saying before you post. custom pistons=$$ and sleeving. ALOT of people run this setup w/ 0 problems. have you ever tried it? and have you ever ordered custom rods??????
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AznBlueBoy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they dont make eagle rods for h23 though do they?
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no, and for those of you worrying about factory cranks being balanced and pistons coming out of the hole .010, i would hate to see the look on you guys face if you ever have the chance to bring some eagle rods to a GOOD machine shop and measure/spec them. ever heard of bend/twist????? yes they will do the job sometimes, and yes they are worth every penny you pay for them
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Nope, and from what I heard they don't plan to either.
If ur getting custom anything, then get custom pistons with a shorter compression height, then use H22 rods and have a better rod/stroke.
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another incorrect answer, im guessing this is also just info that you have heard and not tried for yourself.
if you ever do bother to order a set of custom pistons for this application you will learn that the wristpin height is changed, not the dome height.
you are correct about rod/stroke, but again this guy isnt looking to sleeve or spend alot of $$. which means no custom pistons. and he doesnt have to to have a good/reliable h series setup.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (pentaq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pentaq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There was a thread here about H23 crank and its balancing problems. Why are they prone to damage their bearings but H22 are not?</TD></TR></TABLE>
worse r/s ratio for one...
worse r/s ratio for one...
Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (Missing Gears)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
another incorrect answer, im guessing this is also just info that you have heard and not tried for yourself.
if you ever do bother to order a set of custom pistons for this application you will learn that the wristpin height is changed, not the dome height.
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lol, what? there is nothing wrong with what I said. why would I give this guy advice if it was something I just heard? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that "wrist pin height" equals "compression height" It has nothing to do with the dome. Do the math, a 95 stroke (H23 crank) with a 5.633 (H22 rod), and a custom 1.140 compression height piston = zero deck on a stock H22 block. Now tell me why that wont work. Sure its nothing neccesary, but Hu just asked what could be done to compensate, you could also just change the compression height by .01" (I think its more like .02") and use h23 rods, but if you're gonna get custom pistons then you might as well utilize the h22 rod for the better ratio.
another incorrect answer, im guessing this is also just info that you have heard and not tried for yourself.
if you ever do bother to order a set of custom pistons for this application you will learn that the wristpin height is changed, not the dome height.
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lol, what? there is nothing wrong with what I said. why would I give this guy advice if it was something I just heard? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that "wrist pin height" equals "compression height" It has nothing to do with the dome. Do the math, a 95 stroke (H23 crank) with a 5.633 (H22 rod), and a custom 1.140 compression height piston = zero deck on a stock H22 block. Now tell me why that wont work. Sure its nothing neccesary, but Hu just asked what could be done to compensate, you could also just change the compression height by .01" (I think its more like .02") and use h23 rods, but if you're gonna get custom pistons then you might as well utilize the h22 rod for the better ratio.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (Rosko)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
lol, what? there is nothing wrong with what I said. why would I give this guy advice if it was something I just heard? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that "wrist pin height" equals "compression height" It has nothing to do with the dome. Do the math, a 95 stroke (H23 crank) with a 5.633 (H22 rod), and a custom 1.140 compression height piston = zero deck on a stock H22 block. Now tell me why that wont work. Sure its nothing neccesary, but Hu just asked what could be done to compensate, you could also just change the compression height by .01" (I think its more like .02") and use h23 rods, but if you're gonna get custom pistons then you might as well utilize the h22 rod for the better ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i misunderstood what you were saying. when you order pistons for this application you will need to know finished deck height along w/ stroke,rod length,and that will give you your pin height. yes it will work and no theres nothing wrong w/ doing it that way. that is the best way to go if you want to sleeve the block and go through the cost and wait time of ordering pistons. btw, the math you did above will change after the deck has been resurfaced and pistons should not be ordered until this is done.
lol, what? there is nothing wrong with what I said. why would I give this guy advice if it was something I just heard? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that "wrist pin height" equals "compression height" It has nothing to do with the dome. Do the math, a 95 stroke (H23 crank) with a 5.633 (H22 rod), and a custom 1.140 compression height piston = zero deck on a stock H22 block. Now tell me why that wont work. Sure its nothing neccesary, but Hu just asked what could be done to compensate, you could also just change the compression height by .01" (I think its more like .02") and use h23 rods, but if you're gonna get custom pistons then you might as well utilize the h22 rod for the better ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i misunderstood what you were saying. when you order pistons for this application you will need to know finished deck height along w/ stroke,rod length,and that will give you your pin height. yes it will work and no theres nothing wrong w/ doing it that way. that is the best way to go if you want to sleeve the block and go through the cost and wait time of ordering pistons. btw, the math you did above will change after the deck has been resurfaced and pistons should not be ordered until this is done.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (Missing Gears)
if madcitylude is listening, which is hard to do when you have like 4 different threads asking the same question.......the most cost effective way to make the most power on pump gas without sleeving is this: h23 crank, h23 rods, oversized jdm h22 pistons, cometic 87.5mm .040 headgasket. this will leave you w/ between 12:1-12.5:1 comp. and resurface the block and head only as much as needed to true it up.
no, dont balance the crank. but do have a good machine shop look it over and magnaflux it.
no, dont balance the crank. but do have a good machine shop look it over and magnaflux it.
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (Missing Gears)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if madcitylude is listening, which is hard to do when you have like 4 different threads asking the same question.......the most cost effective way to make the most power on pump gas without sleeving is this: h23 crank, h23 rods, oversized jdm h22 pistons, cometic 87.5mm .040 headgasket. this will leave you w/ between 12:1-12.5:1 comp. and resurface the block and head only as much as needed to true it up.
no, dont balance the crank. but do have a good machine shop look it over and magnaflux it.
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Where can I get the oversized jdm h22 pistons, and what size are you speaking of? If I get oversized doesn't that mean getting block work done?
I started a new thread on this cause I was changing the focus of the thread!
The other thread is on just the crank, I had a specific question on it.
Then once I had some info I wanted to post it in the ALL motor area cause I figured there would be a better chance of specific answers to my questions!
no, dont balance the crank. but do have a good machine shop look it over and magnaflux it.
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Where can I get the oversized jdm h22 pistons, and what size are you speaking of? If I get oversized doesn't that mean getting block work done?
I started a new thread on this cause I was changing the focus of the thread!
The other thread is on just the crank, I had a specific question on it.
Then once I had some info I wanted to post it in the ALL motor area cause I figured there would be a better chance of specific answers to my questions!
Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (MadCityLude)
I think he means jdm type-s, and yeah if you do get the oversized ones you'll have to have the block honed and not every shop is capable of doing it right. If your block is in good shape you wont need the o.s. pistons and you'll be good to go.
standard is 87mm, O.S. is 87.5mm
standard is 87mm, O.S. is 87.5mm
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Re: H23 crank vs H22 crank? (MadCityLude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MadCityLude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Where can I get the oversized jdm h22 pistons, and what size are you speaking of? If I get oversized doesn't that mean getting block work done?
I started a new thread on this cause I was changing the focus of the thread!
The other thread is on just the crank, I had a specific question on it.
Then once I had some info I wanted to post it in the ALL motor area cause I figured there would be a better chance of specific answers to my questions!
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you can order them from any jdm importer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he means jdm type-s, and yeah if you do get the oversized ones you'll have to have the block honed and not every shop is capable of doing it right. If your block is in good shape you wont need the o.s. pistons and you'll be good to go.
standard is 87mm, O.S. is 87.5mm</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, i mean regular jdm h22 pistons NOT TYPE S. and whoever told you that you can change pistons/rings w/o rehoning has no idea what they are talking about, or has obviously never tried to do it. it can be done, but the new rings WILL NOT SEAT. do you even know why i suggest oversized?????? for one to gain a little displacement. but most importantly because if he gets the wrong standard bore size he will be screwed. you do know there are two different standard bore sizes dont you??? and if hes got an a block then hes going to need oversized anyway, he will have no choice.
and oversized is NOT 87.5, its 87.25.
and it will be easier to use reular jdmh22 pistons than type s because he wont have to have the rods machined to accept the wristpins.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MadCityLude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank you!</TD></TR></TABLE>
look its real easy, h23 crank, h23 rods, jdm h22 oversized pistons/rings, cometic 87.5mm .040 thick gasket. and for god sakes please use honda factory bearings and seals.
i have done this setup over and over again. it makes some awesome power without breaking the bank. and is very reliable.
theres no need to question any aspects of this build that i have already mentioned. if anyone doesnt understand the info that i have given away then go build a few h motors for yourself and LEARN SOMETHING!
madcitylude, goodluck w/ your build
Where can I get the oversized jdm h22 pistons, and what size are you speaking of? If I get oversized doesn't that mean getting block work done?
I started a new thread on this cause I was changing the focus of the thread!
The other thread is on just the crank, I had a specific question on it.
Then once I had some info I wanted to post it in the ALL motor area cause I figured there would be a better chance of specific answers to my questions!
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you can order them from any jdm importer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he means jdm type-s, and yeah if you do get the oversized ones you'll have to have the block honed and not every shop is capable of doing it right. If your block is in good shape you wont need the o.s. pistons and you'll be good to go.
standard is 87mm, O.S. is 87.5mm</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, i mean regular jdm h22 pistons NOT TYPE S. and whoever told you that you can change pistons/rings w/o rehoning has no idea what they are talking about, or has obviously never tried to do it. it can be done, but the new rings WILL NOT SEAT. do you even know why i suggest oversized?????? for one to gain a little displacement. but most importantly because if he gets the wrong standard bore size he will be screwed. you do know there are two different standard bore sizes dont you??? and if hes got an a block then hes going to need oversized anyway, he will have no choice.
and oversized is NOT 87.5, its 87.25.
and it will be easier to use reular jdmh22 pistons than type s because he wont have to have the rods machined to accept the wristpins.
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look its real easy, h23 crank, h23 rods, jdm h22 oversized pistons/rings, cometic 87.5mm .040 thick gasket. and for god sakes please use honda factory bearings and seals.
i have done this setup over and over again. it makes some awesome power without breaking the bank. and is very reliable.
theres no need to question any aspects of this build that i have already mentioned. if anyone doesnt understand the info that i have given away then go build a few h motors for yourself and LEARN SOMETHING!
madcitylude, goodluck w/ your build